US Army selects 7.62 NATO for future infantry rifle

[stanc]

It looks like 6.5 Grendel is not going to replace 5.56 NATO.

I just learned the Army has chosen to equip "Future War Fighters" with an upgraded 7.62mm M14 rifle.

M14 bullpup in testing:

http://www.shortrifles.com/Site/gallery/album1/image3.jpg

Future Soldiers with M14 bullpup and all-around hard body armor.

http://www.shortrifles.com/Site/gallery/album1/image11.jpg

Okay, I'm kidding. The M14 bullpup was chosen only to use in an Army (recruiting?) commercial. But the site www.shortrifles.com/ is worth visiting if only to hear the "I am a Soldier" song.

(Note the song takes a little while to load and play after entering the site.)

[hm2 clark]

Looks like they belong in the movie STARSHIP TROOPERS recruiting commmercial. Would you like to know more?

[jwilson1985]

sh*t i thought it was halo 3d lol

[mlmiller1]

Main thing I remember about Starship troopers was Dina Meyer!!!!! ;-) Oh yeah, they did have on some kind of armor in a big part of the movie, didn't they? UHH, something about Bugs.

[RangerRick]

Main thing I remember about Starship troopers was Dina Meyer!!!!! ;-) Oh yeah, they did have on some kind of armor in a big part of the movie, didn't they? UHH, something about Bugs.

Yeah, particularly the coed shower scene. If I had been in there with her you would have been able to mount a 50 cal on the old johnson! LOL.

RR

[jwilson1985]

Yeah, particularly the coed shower scene. If I had been in there with her you would have been able to mount a 50 cal on the old johnson! LOL.

RR
copy that!!!!

[stanc]

Yeah, particularly the coed shower scene. If I had been in there with her you would have been able to mount a 50 cal on the old johnson! LOL.
One shower scene, as requested ("in bed" scene included):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0rheyrgdAo

"In bed" scene (alternate ending):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-g9ISrG_qA0

[QuadCam]

http://www.shortrifles.com/Site/gallery/album1/image3.jpg


This guy doesn't look like to be in proper shape for an military action. He's going for the Larry Vickers look!

[mlmiller1]

Ok, now I need a cold shower. She is pretty doggone HOT!


Now, Back to shooting!!!!!!! FOCUS, FOCUS!

[stanc]

Regarding military bullpups, here's an interesting video of one being fired from both shoulders.

Note the shooter does not change firing hand from right to left!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7piT-qM3Tk

[bwaites]

That looks like a recipe to lose a finger!

[Kikn]

how could you lose a finger?

[bwaites]

how could you lose a finger?

Watch how close his left index finger is to the end of the barrel.

[H2O MAN]

It looks like 6.5 Grendel is not going to replace 5.56 NATO.

I just learned the Army has chosen to equip "Future War Fighters" with an upgraded 7.62mm M14 rifle.

Okay, I'm kidding. The M14 bullpup was chosen only to use in an Army (recruiting?) commercial.
But the site www.shortrifles.com/ is worth visiting if only to hear the "I am a Soldier" song.


Hello, that song is great and the bullpup conversions currently available for the M14 are very interesting.

I've spent the past 5 months getting to know my M14 bullpup conversion (http://www.athenswater.com/Rogue_Modifications.html) ... it's a work in progress.

[OldCannon]

As a bullpup owner, I can tell you that the concussive effects on your ears is MUCH stronger vs a standard AR platform if you have no hearing protection (To be clear, I did NOT volunteer to test my rifles that way). I definitely do NOT see bullpup configurations in the "Future Warfighter" configuration. In fact, I'd daresay that the future caliber, IF there really is one, will be one that has the same total cartridge weight as the current 5.56, and preferably able to have 30 rounds in a magazine not much larger than what we have now. Otherwise, I think it's a complete non-starter.

[independentrider1]

why do they have welding helmets on their shoulders?

[sgt_murf]

It looks like 6.5 Grendel is not going to replace 5.56 NATO.

I just learned the Army has chosen to equip "Future War Fighters" with an upgraded 7.62mm M14 rifle.

M14 bullpup in testing:

http://www.shortrifles.com/Site/gallery/album1/image3.jpg

Future Soldiers with M14 bullpup and all-around hard body armor.

http://www.shortrifles.com/Site/gallery/album1/image11.jpg

Okay, I'm kidding. The M14 bullpup was chosen only to use in an Army (recruiting?) commercial. But the site www.shortrifles.com/ is worth visiting if only to hear the "I am a Soldier" song.

(Note the song takes a little while to load and play after entering the site.)

While Stanc meant this as humor what I find humorish is that the British placed in the running a cartridge it was the .280 British in varying versions up to the new and improved .30 British to get their caliber into trials to satisfy the Americans. The US army then 7.62x51 was selected over it (.280 Brit). The British used the .280 for a short time until Winston Churchill dictated the use 7.62x51. The Air Force later chose the 5.56mm and then SEC DoD Robert Strange McNamara dictated the Army to use the M16 and the 5.56mm even though the Army never wanted the 5.56mm at the beginning.

[noone]

So who does that song?

[LRRPF52]

While Stanc meant this as humor what I find humorish is that the British placed in the running a cartridge it was the .280 British in varying versions up to the new and improved .30 British to get their caliber into trials to satisfy the Americans. The US army then 7.62x51 was selected over it (.280 Brit). The British used the .280 for a short time until Winston Churchill dictated the use 7.62x51. The Air Force later chose the 5.56mm and then SEC DoD Robert Strange McNamara dictated the Army to use the M16 and the 5.56mm even though the Army never wanted the 5.56mm at the beginning.

SF, Airborne, Airmobile, and other Infantry units liked the M16/5.56 quite well actually. It's probably the only caliber the military ever adopted that was done outside the corrupt procurement process, and has benefited the services more than any other caliber/system that I can think of. 7.62 NATO should have never left the drawing board, as the British .280 would have been much better, or a .276 Pedersen derivative shortened to a 38-42mm case for DMR's and LMG's in the 1950's. The institutional pillars of wisdom had other thoughts in mind, none of which paid much attention to what had shifted in terms of maneuver land warfare and logistics chains, as well as terminal performance. The SCHV concept was the best thing to counter-balance the old guard of Army ordnance corps thinking, and the M16 family's success has proven itself longer than any other shoulder-fired system in the US military's history.

[stanc]

...the M16 family's success has proven itself longer than any other shoulder-fired system in the US military's history.
5.56mm M16 family: <50 years
.69 caliber muskets: ~75 years

[smoke13]

What's that crazy dirt bike helmet with the tiny built in goggles on top of the left mrap tire all about? Is the future army going to shoot bullpups from dirt bikes in Afgan?
And is that Obama's long lost brother on the right? I thought he was in Kenya.... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/2590614/Barack-Obamas-lost-brother-found-in-Kenya.html

[stanc]

What's that crazy dirt bike helmet with the tiny built in goggles on top of the left mrap tire all about?
Such a helmet is what's being envisioned for future soldiers.

http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2007/04_01/robocop0904_639x800.jpg

[michaelmew]

Such a helmet is what's being envisioned for future soldiers.

706

Is it just me does he look like an early ancestor of a Stormtrooper?

707

(I am aware that is the worst photoshop job ever, but I just wanted to illustrate something with less than 5 minutes invested) :D

[LRRPF52]

This needs to be under a new thread entitled: "Future Force Warrior/Objective Force Warrior/Force 21/Land Warrior Developments" or something along those lines. As we have seen proof-of-concept demonstrators wearing crazy R2D2 intestines and Star Trek scanners, thinking it is far-fetched, we then see the RDT&E models, followed by initial production and fielding of said systems, like Land Warrior, with a lot of positive reception from originally skeptical and highly suspicious soldiers such as myself.

There are actual beneficial capabilities represented by many of the Land Warrior components and the concept as a whole offers a totally new way to look at warfare when you think about coordination, communication, and efficient use of resources.

The main driving concept is to over-match any enemy force with technology, capabilities, training, and the ability to project force more rapidly than previously thought possible.

[LightningII]

I saw a write-up in a gunrag a while back about that M14 and the bullpup chassis.
the chassis costs as much as the rifle you start with.

[LightningII]

the F35 helmet, which is the type described in the Future soldier pic, costs around $100K each. Based on that, I don't see Pvt. Joe Snuffy getting issued one any time soon.