C Products 17 round magazines

[vanguard138]

I suppose now that C Products has gone under I am stuck with their defective 17 round magazines. Or is someone honoring their product warranty. I understand that the 17 round mags were never "right".

[leopard6.5]

vanguard138: Since when did C Products go out of business?

I just pulled up their website and they had 250 6.5 Grendel magazines listed.
Here's the link: http://lcjwholesalestore.com/AR_Magazines.html

This is the company that took over after the lawsuit but they still show-up if you do a search for C Products Magazines.

You might want to call them or email them.

Good Luck.

Lee

[bwaites]

I suppose now that C Products has gone under I am stuck with their defective 17 round magazines. Or is someone honoring their product warranty. I understand that the 17 round mags were never "right".

Well, the 17's were the least dependable of the versions made, BUT...I have 2 and have never had any issues. CProducts worked pretty hard to find a follower that would work well, and either I just got lucky or they succeeded. ASC (Ammunition Storage Company) now makes the Grendel mags, in place of CProducts. I don't know if they will warrantee the old mags, but a note to them might be useful.

Bill

[vanguard138]

Thanks Bill, I will see what I can find out from ASC. I have several and tried 4 of them. They all slam the bullet into the feed ramp so my guess is that the angle of the follower? is prior to the fix. Definitely notmy specialty and I would have no idea how to remedy the situation.

[LRRPF52]

More likely the feed lips. I've seen the same thing with one. Mine work fine as long as they are loaded with 5-7 rounds I think.

[vanguard138]

Spoke with Rick at A.S.C. LLC today (860-225-3548) and he was very helpful. Obviously they do not warranty the C-Products magazines I purchased. However they have modified the mag follower and they are sending me a couple to try. They are $2.00 each and according to Rick these full length followers have been successful in correcting the problem. Less expensive tan a new mag and worth a try.

[RangerRick]

Spoke with Rick at A.S.C. LLC today (860-225-3548) and he was very helpful. Obviously they do not warranty the C-Products magazines I purchased. However they have modified the mag follower and they are sending me a couple to try. They are $2.00 each and according to Rick these full length followers have been successful in correcting the problem. Less expensive tan a new mag and worth a try.

I have one of the ASC 17 round mags. It functions OK but I can only get 14 rounds in it. I tend to load a little long, so shorter rounds might fit OK. I might cut the spring a little to get 15 in. I'll be happy with that.

It's a little easier to handle than the 10 round mag because of the extra length, but it's still short enough to use on the bench without teetering on the mag like the 25 rounders.

RR

[sneaky one]

As another option, I was checking out 6mmbr and found a link that has a 25 rnder. cut down to 12 rnds. Google, type in 6mmbr mags. Click on the first link=Grendel brass. Scroll down 1/2 way to the pic. of 3 mags. I just made the middle one, yet mine is a 16 rnder. -to relace my so-so 17 r. c-prod. mag.,,, that only ran with 8-9 max. properly. Hey, that's Robert Whitley in the pic! My (new) mag. is awesome. It can be cut to whatever capacity you need. I cut off 1 9/16",, and had a block of aluminun that was fairly close in all dimensions- to trim file grind and drill-tap into. Delrin plastic would work also. Great conversation mag., at the range. I've got 3 to make already, for the guys. It hangs just a pinch below the Ergo handgrip=nice for the bench, and a reliable hunting mag. in a wolf,and cougar -shared with us-hunting area. Plus it has the extra grip, area while wearing polar expedition gloves.

[terrywick4]

I have one of the ASC 17 round mags. It functions OK but I can only get 14 rounds in it. I tend to load a little long, so shorter rounds might fit OK. I might cut the spring a little to get 15 in. I'll be happy with that.

It's a little easier to handle than the 10 round mag because of the extra length, but it's still short enough to use on the bench without teetering on the mag like the 25 rounders.

RR

If my memory is correct I could only get 14 rounds and the follower with the spring removed. But 12 rounds is plenty for my needs and the extra length is nice.

Terry

[RangerRick]

If my memory is correct I could only get 14 rounds and the follower with the spring removed. But 12 rounds is plenty for my needs and the extra length is nice.

Terry

I got one of the new ones and could only get 14 rounds in too. Works fine with 14, though.

RR

[taggor]

Thought I would add my 2c. I have been purchasing the AR-Stoner 6.8 magazines from Midway. I retro the magazines with ISMI springs and cut the followers about 1/4 to 1/2" inch on both sides of the follower ( I have "eyeballed" the cut. Not sure about the specifics.) and they hold 15 rounds. Cutting the follower allowed for the magazine to seat properly with a closed bolt. Without cutting the follower there was no "movement" for the stack and a difficult seat for the magazine. Also, there is NO difference between the grey 6.8 follower to the blue 6.5 follower. I know much of this has been mentioned before on the forum but, I wanted to affirm what others have said. I also feed that the straight bodied magazine is more reliable. It is true that occasionally I get a magazine that will not fall free from the magazine well when empty and I discard them but, I think that is more quality control or consistancy than anything else. This process has worked for me. Of course it is my wish that we could see functional magazines that hold 20 and 30 rounds in the future. Here's hoping!

[sneaky one]

Well, I never cut a follower, ( sanded a few lower leg edges smoooth) but the 26 rnder.- cut down to a 16 , is sweet. The 26 rnd. mag. can be difficult in the woods. That's why I chose a mid. capacity mag. Hopefully, if and when D. & H. makes the big announcement,, that they have a - curved 14--17 rnd. unit also. I've heard from a few that the 6.8 is the same. D. & H. already makes a steel 6.8- for , I think it was- $9.99...... Maybe Stan can pop in here, with some more data ?

[taggor]

Just thought I would expound a bit on my previous post by posting some pictures of how much of the follower I cut and to show that the profile of the 6.8/6.5 is the same. These modifications allow for a total of 15 rounds. The stock magazines fit 14 rounds. I find that I still need to adjust the feed lips on the new magazines but, otherwise these "fixes" have given me good reliability and feeding ( I did have my barrel ext. polished too which helped a great deal with feeding.)

http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s406/Mk12Recce/DSC01660.jpg

The above image shows the same profile from a 6.8 AR-Stoner magazine and a 6.5 ASC follower as well as the amount of material that is sawn off with a razor saw.

http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s406/Mk12Recce/DSC01657.jpg

Another image to show a cut 6.8 follower and an unmodified 6.8 follower. Both from AR-Stoner.

I have also installed ISMI Chrome Silicon springs in all of my magazines. A bit stronger.

[txgunner00]

I need to do this myself. All my "10" & "15" round mags are 1 short.

[sneaky one]

Txg . I went the easy route on my 2-- 10 rnd. mags. - cut 1/2 a coil off the bottom, reshape, it now runs fine with 11 inside.

[sneaky one]

tagg., looks like the divider is farther to the left on the black one. Could be the camera angle? Good info! Can you measure to see if it's diff.?? Many here would like to know. Thanks.

[taggor]

tagg., looks like the divider is farther to the left on the black one. Could be the camera angle? Good info! Can you measure to see if it's diff.?? Many here would like to know. Thanks.

Maybe this photo will help. It is hard to take close up's without some kind of distortion though. Without measuring I can tell you that all the magazines I have which total 6 with the 6.8 follower feed and function just fine in my Grendel.

http://i1050.photobucket.com/albums/s406/Mk12Recce/DSC01680.jpg

[sneaky one]

Thanks tagg. Good to know. On the Grr. unit I see a ( maybe ) slight variation on the far left & far right center... the angle is just barely diff. But hey, if it functions-shoot em up. For all we know it may be only a color change issue =hee! Maybe someone (in the know), hmmmm- who could that be???,, could enlighten us.

[Rambozo]

I use the 17 rounders almost exclusively. I think most problems are due to the feed lips. A couple of my magazines lack the fore cutouts. Without those, I've noticed that the rounds can nosedive.

[sneaky one]

RamBozo, I've tweaked all the lip angles, etc. also.. The 17 rndr. I have -is not reliable at all. You must have received the Good ones, I've noticed a few changes on the 10 rnd. mags. also thru the yrs. -in the 2/3 rd. forward area , on each side. Maybe C-prods. was trying to improve a bad idea -?? And where are they now. I'm looking to the future, positive mindset=we will have better mags. avail. soon.