Vortex Viper PST mounting - LaRue or Burris?

[BjornF16]

Just received my Vortex Viper PST 2.5-10x scope...great scope (with military discount and fast turn from Liberty Optics). Viper PST will be the next scope I buy for future 260 Remington.

Leaning towards LaRue Tactical QD mount...but was wondering if anyone had the Burris quick disconnect. How do they compare?

[Inferno333]

I really liked the LaRue QD mount. Very solid and always went back on perfect.

Also, I sent Scott at Liberty Optics an email about the military discount on a Vortex Sparc.

Thanks for the service review!

[Rootshot]

The Burris mounts are made in China, but are rock solid and well made. I own a P.E.P.R. and a set of their 30mm rings. I saw the Burris QD P.E.P.R. at the SHOT show. Cosmetically, they are not up to par to a LaRue or American Defense, but they will do the job just as well. I also own an American Defense mount and find it of the highest quality.

--Rootshot

[mtn_shooter]

I have the Larue QD mount on my AR and love it. Rock solid and perfect return to zero. Either will work, but if you want to take it on and off to swap optics, clean or do work to the rifle, I'd go with the Larue.

[LRRPF52]

Burris made in communist China, LaRue made in Texas. Any questions?

[BjornF16]

Copy...I'm living in Texas so I'll buy from Texas.

Burris made in China?...wtfo Burris?

[LRRPF52]

Bjorn,

I personally like the LT-112, with 20 MOA built into it. I have yet to need the goose neck feature in any of the LT mounts I have previously bought, so the 112 is my go-to mount now.

LRRPF52

[BjornF16]

I've ordered the LT-104 for my AA Entry with NF 3.5-15x56mm...it is as far forward as I can get it with Leupold rings but I need another .5 inch of eye relief.

I also ordered the LT-158 for my lightweight build (Viper PST)...I don't see a LT unimount without extension (gooseneck) on their website (even searched for your LT112).

[LRRPF52]

You have to specifically ask for it. It's not advertised on the site. The LT-112 will give you a little reach forward from the base, but not like the LT-158 and other goose neck mounts. The LT-112 looks exactly like the LT-111, but has 20 MOA of cant.

http://stores.homestead.com/Laruetactical/Detail.bok?no=393

If you are looking to save some cash and don't need QD, you can just order the mounts with the VFZ option, but I think the QD levers are worth it and very convenient.

[LRS_Ranger]

+1 for the LaRue and QD levers. I have one and it returns to zero and is solid as a rock... Can't say enough good stuff about the product or the company..

-LRS

[Texas Grendel-ier]

+ 1 for LaRue.Tough, return to zero,very good customer support.It seems that LaRue hires ex-military (at least the ones I have talked to).Hey LRRPF52; I got a chuckle out of the "communist china versus made in Texas" comment. Also, good info on the various scopes. It appears you are military so thanks to you and all others for serving our country.

[LRRPF52]

Here's another thing I like about LaRue: He gets all his staff out, regardless of what their administrative or mechanical specialties are, and has them run through a day or two of formal high-volume shooting with AR15's to understand the importance of their products. If every company would invite their employees to participate in the end-user experience with their products, we'd live in a different world for the better.

I just got back from the range, and had an opportunity to run a competitor's scope mount through its paces. Zeroed early in the morning, got a nice, tight cluster POA/POI, and proceeded to run the gun through numerous high-volume drills throughout the day. Temps were in the 90's, and we really heated the guns up. Before hitting the road, I just wanted to assess if the zero had shifted any, or if it was still good to go...

It was off by 2" to the right at 25yds, no elevation shift, and a tighter group than I shot in the morning. I now have to determine if it's the scope turret, the mount, or the barrel/upper combo, or maybe heat just did its thing. Gun is free-floated with Troy TRX Etreme 13", barrel is nitrocarburized 16" M4 profile, barrel nut was torqued, backed off, then torqued again 2x during installation, and the gun ran line a champ, with no malf's at all after 400+ rounds burned through it within 4 hours of shooting. I'm thinking it's either the scope or the mount, but since the elevation did not shift at all, that points more to the mount. I was actually really impressed with the mount, but now I'm unsure. I'll refrain from ID'ing the mount and optic until I get a better idea of what actually is going on, but I will say the mount is not LaRue.

[Peck1631]

I went with LRRPF52 and got a Larue LT-111. A little pricey, but you cant take it with you.

[warped]

I think you might have done better getting the SPR-E

http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/LaRue-Tactical-SPR-E-Scope-Mount-QD-LT-139-p/larue%20tactical%20spr-e%20lt139%201.htm

It bugs me to have a scope hanging over the charging handle too much.

Especially with gloves on.

[LRRPF52]

That's why I use the BCM Gunfighter Charge Handles with Medium or Large latch for guns with larger optics. I haven't encountered any snag issues to date, and I almost always shoot wearing kit, meaning my vest, VTAC sling, etc.

[rushmc]

I have that scope on my AA grendel riflel
To get the correct eye reliefe this scope does hang over the charging handle but there are options for that

I went with the American Defense mount
Seems very solid
For what it is worth

http://www.americandefensemanufacturing.com/view/product/195/

[warped]

Damn, you must have been reading my mind Marc, I could not remember which one was on your rifle, it was really well built.

I see they do have a cantilevered model as well.

[rushmc]

they have a good mix. I emailed them with the rifle and optic specs and they got back to me in less than an hour with a recomendation.

[Mutt]

I think Larue is just great. But ...... WAY overpriced.

I've used Burris and have several friends that use Burris. If you are on a limited income, you can't really go wrong with the burris mounts. The price is great. The only down side is that it's made in China, but I challenged you to find something these days that isn't.

[LRRPF52]

I think Larue is just great. But ...... WAY overpriced.

I've used Burris and have several friends that use Burris. If you are on a limited income, you can't really go wrong with the burris mounts. The price is great. The only down side is that it's made in China, but I challenged you to find something these days that isn't.

We have been involved in an economic war with the PRC since 1968, when their "Total War" plan was launched. Since then, Nixon/Henry Kissenger opened them up to trade with us, and it's been downhill ever since. For a while, Chinese products were dirt cheap, but they have risen to what American-made prices were maybe a decade ago, and are still rising. I do my best to spend my economic bullets (dollars) on US Made products when I can. Granted, several US companies have moved their entire facilities to the coasts of China, and still have the same QC, but with dirt-paid Chinese workers.

The American Defense QD mounts can be had for $135, and the LaRue mounts with VFZ can be had for $145 I think. LaRue has a superior mounting and tension system for the rail, as well as recoil lugs that fit tightly in an M1913 rail slot. Most others do not, and they rely on side-to-side clamping force, versus the vertical torsion of the LaRue mounts.

If you want to pay Chinese prices for Israeli-designed products, get the CAA scope mount for $20. It is built using the same components and metal as the Burris, probably in the same factory...

[txgunner00]

Burris made in communist China, LaRue made in Texas. Any questions?


They are made less than 10 minutes from my house. I have 3.:D

Larue is also a HUGE supporter of our local shooting sports and the industry as a whole. He paid for the construction of the tactical bays at Best of the West out of his own pocket.

[BjornF16]

We have been involved in an economic war with the PRC since 1968,

Add Information war as well (military/industrial espionage; web based attacks). That makes 2 out of 4 in the D.I.M.E. influence model (diplomatic, information, military, economic). I took a course at Leavenworth on the PRC...they are not our friends...I don't particularly care to fund their military build up.

[txgunner00]

Bjorn,

I personally like the LT-112, with 20 MOA built into it. I have yet to need the goose neck feature in any of the LT mounts I have previously bought, so the 112 is my go-to mount now.

LRRPF52

+1 The 20 MOA is a must for most scopes if you intend to dial to extended ranges with the Grendel. I would run out of adjustment at about 800 yds with the straight mount I had at first.

[BjornF16]

So far I'm very happy with the -104 and -158. LaRue also gives military discounts. Don't think I'll be shooting at 800 (other than maybe for fun...)

[Whelenon]

I know this is a little off subject but since were talking about where things are made, where are Vortex Scopes made?

[bwaites]

I know this is a little off subject but since were talking about where things are made, where are Vortex Scopes made?

U.S. company, service is here in the States. Parts/glass are Japanese, assembly is in the Philippines currently, though as I understand it the assembly may be moved here eventually.

Its one of my major concerns. We have NO scope manufacturer using U.S. sourced glass that I can find. All of them use glass sourced from outside the country, and some use parts, gears, etc. from outside the country as well.

Some U.S. companies use German/Austrian/Eastern European glass, most use Japanese glass. Some use Chinese glass.

[LRRPF52]

Due to anti-business policies, very few things are made in the US anymore, however...the weapons industry seems to buck that rule since the US has the most vibrant firearms, ammunition, and accessories manufacturing base in the world, hands-down. You would think that we would have several major optics companies making their products here, but they have mostly relocated to Japan, China, and the Philippines. China is clearly the badguy of that bunch, since they have Communist slave labor, while using at least 30% of their revenue for military upgrades to exert more dominance in the Pacific rim.

Many businesses have proclaimed that they can't afford to manufacture in the US anymore. We are now reaching the phase where it is clear that you can't afford NOT to...

I hope optics companies take notice and move shop to hosptiable States with great employee bases, technical expertise, and a business-friendly environment. Unfortunately, there aren't many of those left.

[bwaites]

There was a time when we made good glass here, perhaps not up to German standards, but very good. I don't think we have any lensmakers left of any note, for any type of photo, telescope, or similar lenses.

Is anyone aware of any?

We can still make gears and such, although that capacity is shrinking rapidly.

[LRRPF52]

There have to be at least some lens-makers for the defense industry, unless they've exempted that component field from Berry Amendment compliance. Think about the aerospace grade optics necessary for defense and NASA.

[bwaites]

Meade Instruments--Maybe.

Celestron--Doubtful

Collins ElectroOptics--Probably, but only makes eyepieces from my research.

No one that I can find makes riflescope glass.

[Variable]

IIRC: It's probably because of the chemicals involved in lens coating... I seem to recall the old Redfield folks got put in a sling over that.

No matter what state you move to, the EPA can come swooping in....

[Glockzilla]

+1 for the LaRue and QD levers. I have one and it returns to zero and is solid as a rock... Can't say enough good stuff about the product or the company..

-LRS

I'm in the " Can't say enough good stuff about the product or the company" camp.

[txgunner00]

I have a Larue mount similar to the LT104 but with a 10 MOA cant and VFZ base (semi-QD) instead of the cam levers. I don't remove the scope from my Grendel often and this feature saves $50 off the list price of the mount. Before I had Burris XTR rings and I ran out of adjustment at 900 yds (Zeiss Conquest 4.5x14x50).

I've been very pleased with all my Larue mounts. Plus they are made less than 5 miles from my house.:)

[LRRPF52]

LaRue LT-112 20 MOA
DTA 20, 30 MOA
NightForce Unimount 20 MOA
ADM 20 MOA Recon

[texasgrunt]

Bobro anyone? I have one and I dig it. No elevation adjustment, though.

http://swfa.com/Bobro-Precision-Optic-30mm-Mount-P47627.aspx

grunt

[txgunner00]

Bobro anyone? I have one and I dig it. No elevation adjustment, though.

http://swfa.com/Bobro-Precision-Optic-30mm-Mount-P47627.aspx

grunt

A few of my buddies have these mounts and they are happy with them. They look good and function well.

[RangerRick]

LaRue LT-112 20 MOA
DTA 20, 30 MOA
NightForce Unimount 20 MOA
ADM 20 MOA Recon

LaRue LT-158, 10 MOA down angle. Cantilever like the LT-104 but closer to the barrel.

[hm2 clark]

I am not real happy with my Burris mount.

[QuadCam]

I am not real happy with my Burris mount.

What's the problem with the burris?

[rushmc]

I really like these I have one on my AA 18" Staturn with a Viper Vortex 2.5 x 10 PST. http://www.americandefensemanufacturing.com/browse/category/opticmounts/scopemounts/
I am not real happy with my Burris mount.

[hm2 clark]

No real problem with my Burris mount; it's just that it is a little difficult to put on and take off the riile. I thougth it would be as easy as using Leopold QR rings. and it not. Gottta jiggle it around a little.

[ThomasA]

You know Military can buy direct from Vortex for a discounted price, right?

[BjornF16]

You know Military can buy direct from Vortex for a discounted price, right?

More info please!

[txgunner00]

You know Military can buy direct from Vortex for a discounted price, right?

????+1

[LRRPF52]

If you're military or LE, you get a nice discount with Vortex Optics. Call Scott at Liberty Optics and he'll square you away.

Phone: 406-827-6543
Email: scott@libertyoptics.com
Email (orders): orders@libertyoptics.com
Mail Payments To: PO Box 175 Thompson Falls, MT 59873

[YutYut]

Yep Liberty Optics has outstanding customer service. +1

[txgunner00]

Current military only or former as well?

[QuadCam]

If you're military or LE, you get a nice discount with Vortex Optics. Call Scott at Liberty Optics and he'll square you away.

Phone: 406-827-6543
Email: scott@libertyoptics.com
Email (orders): orders@libertyoptics.com
Mail Payments To: PO Box 175 Thompson Falls, MT 59873

What about fans of TheMilitaryChannel? No love??? :-)

[vanguard138]

They give a discount to disabled Veterans also.