New Hodgdon Powder CFE BLK?

[HillclimberCR500]

Cfe blk. Supposed to be made for 300 blk burns a bit faster then cfe223
Wonder if anyone is going to try this in the grendel.
Or is cfe223 already on the fast side

Thoughts?

http://bulletin.accurateshooter.com/2016/11/new-hodgdon-cfe-blk-powder-great-for-small-cartridges/

[cory]

It says that it's formulated for BO sub sonics. I'd imagine that it's closer to the CFE Pistol than the CFE 223.

[ScoutH57]

It says that it's formulated for BO sub sonics. I'd imagine that it's closer to the CFE Pistol than the CFE 223.

This would be my guess. Haven't seen the burn rates for it or anything yet.


And to add, CFE223 has gotten me excellent results with 123 Amaxes, works very well.

[cory]

We need to lobby them for a CFE Grendel.

[Drillboss]

Hodgdon has it in their burn rate chart on their website. It's sitting between AA 1680 and Norma 200, just a few steps faster than Hodgdon H4198.

It looks to be a little outside the Grendel window.

[mongoosesnipe]

it is made for blackout both supper and sub sonic loadings, generally blackout loads used magnum pistol powder and the burn rate for the new cfe is right there with them there are plenty of good grendel powders, the cfe223 works well and i have had good luck with ARcomp as well.... considering the "relative" obscurity of grendel it is not always the first cartridge load data gets published for

generally speaking if there is load data for a powder in 223 and 308 it will probably work for grendel but the faster denser powders seem to get the best velocity varget doesnt work great in the grendel

as for the new CFE-everykind of powder deal its just powder the whole copper fouling eraser thing isnt really new just relatively new to the sporting market based on my research its just a little bit of Tin in the mix and has been used in artillery shells for along time and it certainly isnt a deal breaker for me as far as weather or not i like a powder

i try new powders often, often because they are what is available locally the only powder i have tried that i didnt much care for was trailboss and thats just because it burned so dirty

[kmon]

We need to lobby them for a CFE Grendel.

Their version of a Grendel powder would most likely be on the fast side of the burn rate for the Grendel, remember Hodgdon says CFE223 is too slow burning for the Grendel. Seems most powders that work well for the 308 and 223 also work for the Grendel if the granules are not too bulky.

[HillclimberCR500]

On the picture of the bottle it lists x39 thought maybe it might work because basically the case and same ish bullet weight. I'll leave it to everyone who has more Knowledge then myself.

But yes Cory we should get our own cfe. Or whatever powder Hornady uses.

Still good to see developments in anything relating to shooting

[LR1955]

On the picture of the bottle it lists x39 thought maybe it might work because basically the case and same ish bullet weight. I'll leave it to everyone who has more Knowledge then myself.

But yes Cory we should get our own cfe. Or whatever powder Hornady uses.

Still good to see developments in anything relating to shooting

HC:

I have posted this many times before but this comes up periodically so I will post it again.

Let me caution you or anyone else about using burn rate charts to compare powders for the Grendel. You may find some powders that sit close to or even with powders that are published as being safe for the Grendel. If the powder has not been tested by a major powder or reloading outfit and then published as being safe, it is very unwise to use that powder. You may think if you start light and work up, things will be fine. Except that your light charge may detonate instead of burn. Of course you may think a moderate charge will be safe. In which case you may overcharged the unknown powder. Gas guns as a whole do not take huge pressure spikes well. A solid bolt gun may just lock up where a AR will blow up.

Just a cautionary note.

LR55

[HillclimberCR500]

Lr55 Caution duly noted I was just making mention of it. Since x39 uses some similar powders Grendel thought maybe it would be worth a look will be interesting to see once Reloading Data becomes available. I'd consider myself a very cautious reloader

[kymountainman]

Chris Hodgdon offered to send me a pound a couple weeks back in a notification email. I can ask for one and try it out before you guys go and buy .... if you want!

[LR1955]

Lr55 Caution duly noted I was just making mention of it. Since x39 uses some similar powders Grendel thought maybe it would be worth a look will be interesting to see once Reloading Data becomes available. I'd consider myself a very cautious reloader

HC:

Roger -- not a criticism. I thought I was a very cautious reloader until I tried some Reloader 10X with the Grendel when that powder came out. Burn rate info we could garner showed it to be right in there with Grendel powders. It was extruded and at the time there was no extruded powder made that was efficient for a Grendel. Many could be used but you couldn't get velocity from them. Only took a shot or two to realize the powder was basically dangerous to use with anything but bullets under 100 grains. According to burn rate charts, it should have been ideal for a 107 and very good for a 120. It was dangerous instead.

Look at the bulk density of the powder and its burn rate. If both are the same as a common Grendel powder, then maybe.

LR55

[SDguy]

Chris Hodgdon offered to send me a pound a couple weeks back in a notification email. I can ask for one and try it out before you guys go and buy .... if you want!

Please do!

Love to see some first hand experience. Load data would be great as well. Personally I prefer to work with 123 grain to 129 grain cup and core bullets.

I have a hunch this powder may be to fast for the 123 grain plus options. Though I have a warm fuzzy feeling this CFE 300BO may work well with the lighter bullets including the 100 grain TTSX and the lighter CB monometal offering.

[HillclimberCR500]

+ 1 on early testing if you can get it.

[LRRPF52]

On the picture of the bottle it lists x39 thought maybe it might work because basically the case and same ish bullet weight. I'll leave it to everyone who has more Knowledge then myself.

But yes Cory we should get our own cfe. Or whatever powder Hornady uses.

Still good to see developments in anything relating to shooting

7.62x39 uses faster powders than 6.5 Grendel because it has a much larger diameter mouth compared to the case body.

Powders like AA 2015, H4198, IMR 4198, and RL-7 are appropriate for 7.62x39. IMR or H4198 is ok for 90gr or under in 6.5 Grendel.