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  • BluntForceTrauma
    Administrator
    • Feb 2011
    • 3897

    School Me on Super Cheap 65G Barrels

    I like a great deal as much as the next guy and always weigh out the value I get for my money.

    I'm mystified by these super cheap Bear Creek Arsenal 6.5 Grendel barrels that recently dropped onto the market. How do they do it?

    I'm always on the lookout for good deals for our members here, and would be happy to offer these BCA barrels, as well, but I need to know what the deal is.

    Feel free to have a wide open discussion here, might as well get it all on the table:

    "There's no way these guys can produce anything but crap at that price point."

    "These guys produce some great barrels, and it just proves how the other barrel makers are gouging the buying public."

    I WANT THE TRUTH!!!
    :: 6.5 GRENDEL Deer and Targets :: 6mmARC Targets and Varmints and Deer :: 22 ARC Varmints and Targets

    :: I Drank the Water :: Revelation 21:6 ::
  • howl
    Warrior
    • Nov 2015
    • 236

    #2
    You can't handle the....nevermind. I have no idea.

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    • SHORT-N-SASSY
      Warrior
      • Apr 2013
      • 629

      #3
      BTF,

      No personal experience. But, for what it's worth, I came across this review: Bear Creek Arsenal Barrel Review (http://www.bayougunrunner.com/Bear-C...eview_b_8.html).

      ETA: I don't know if this item has been posted, previously: Bear Creek Arsenal 6.5mm Grendel 1:8 Twist Carbine Gas System 16" Barrel, $71.24. (http://www.primaryarms.com/B6-5CM41618-SS).
      Last edited by SHORT-N-SASSY; 06-13-2017, 06:56 PM.

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      • Bigs28
        Chieftain
        • Feb 2016
        • 1786

        #4
        I called them to find out what bolt they use since it wasn't posted with their barrel sales. Guy on phone didn't know but said he would research and email me when he finds out.

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        • S.Kargoh
          Unwashed
          • May 2017
          • 7

          #5
          First gun i ever bought was a bolt gun savage with scope included. Moa capable.

          Plenty of old rem700s too with great accuracy for low $


          Who ever said barrels had to be $$$ (besides bench rest crowd. But they are freaks.)

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          • Lastrites
            Warrior
            • Apr 2017
            • 678

            #6
            Certainly a cheap way to get into a short barrel if you don't mind doing a chop & thread job. That is at least what I've been pondering.

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            • 85_Ranger4x4
              Warrior
              • Nov 2016
              • 264

              #7
              Originally posted by Bigs28 View Post
              I called them to find out what bolt they use since it wasn't posted with their barrel sales. Guy on phone didn't know but said he would research and email me when he finds out.
              .136" bolt face. Supposed to have a SAAMI chamber too.

              I just received mine from Classic last Saturday, FWLIW it looks really really nice. 18" straight fluted, nitrided 4150. Only blemish is a scratch where it looks like it got caught by a boxcutter when someone opened the case (the protective netting was cut too) I have been meaning to post pics but I have been too busy.

              From my research at least Classic, AR Stoner and Sander's Armory are all made by BCA.

              BCA and Classic had the best prices so I asked them both basic specs (material, bolt face etc...) BCA never responded but Classic got right back to me. I didn't like that... if you can't answer a simple question how are you going to deal with a problem?

              Reviews before I got mine all looked pretty good. There were some reports of them being overgassed so I did pick up a adjustable gas block for it. Since then one guy posted with very less than ideal groupings... so yay.

              Has anyone tried these type II barrels out? http://www.bearcreekarsenal.com/catalogsearch/result/?q=grendel
              Last edited by 85_Ranger4x4; 06-13-2017, 07:25 PM.

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              • mdram
                Warrior
                • Sep 2016
                • 941

                #8
                has anyone been able to find out who makes thier blanks?
                at those prices i am thinking possible green mountain?
                just some targets for printing
                https://drive.google.com/drive/folde...xQ?usp=sharing

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                • CastorTroy
                  Warrior
                  • Mar 2015
                  • 133

                  #9
                  i'd be all about one of them if they werent in the dumbass m4 profile.

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                  • mdram
                    Warrior
                    • Sep 2016
                    • 941

                    #10
                    they have heavy

                    Shop our selection AR-15 barrels! All our high-quality AR15 barrels are made for precision and durability. Shop today and save today at Bear Creek Arsenal!
                    just some targets for printing
                    https://drive.google.com/drive/folde...xQ?usp=sharing

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                    • VASCAR2
                      Chieftain
                      • Mar 2011
                      • 6219

                      #11
                      Primary Arms has 30% of all BCA barrels in stock. The link to this 16" Stainless Steel 6.5 Grendel barrel is the cheapest I've ever seen on a 6.5 Grendel barrel since I started researching in 2009. BCA supposedly has a 1 MOA guarantee for whatever it's worth.

                      I always figure you get what you pay for but at that price why worry if you wore out the barrel real fast with Wolf steel cased 6.5 Grendel ammo.

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                      • bldsmith
                        Bloodstained
                        • Apr 2017
                        • 66

                        #12
                        I took my 18" fluted barrel from classic out the other day. Shot about moa with 123amax. Steel case was about 2-3.
                        I had the adjustable gas block too low and was short stroking. Wolf steel was getting stuck. I just adjusted and did a function test all is fine now. Locks back on final and steel is running fine. Will go back in a couple weeks and do s better workup.
                        A. C. Richards OTAC USN RET

                        ABS Journeyman Smith

                        http://acrichardscustomknives.com/

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                        • Red Dawn
                          Warrior
                          • Nov 2016
                          • 255

                          #13
                          Great thread BFT I'm curious as well. I've been eyeballing the side charging upper BCA has and if the barrels shoot 1 MOA I may have to jump on in for an 18".
                          "The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. A well regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country." James Madison

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                          • BluntForceTrauma
                            Administrator
                            • Feb 2011
                            • 3897

                            #14
                            My theory is that typically what you get with an expensive barrel is both accuracy AND consistency. You expect it to be accurate. You expect it to be accurate at all ranges. You expect it to be accurate over longer strings of fire. You expect ALL premium-priced barrels from a given manufacturer to be consistently accurate. But we know that even premium barrels need to be tuned to the load.

                            Accuracy is a squirrelly beast. Depends on shooters skill. Quality of build. Quality of optics. Quality of optics mount. Quality of ammunition and components. Quality of bullet. Seating depth. Magical match-up of ammunition to a particular barrel and chambering.

                            With budget barrels, I think accuracy is luck-of-the-draw. Guys who get lucky almost always report how well their cheap barrel shoots for the price — they can hardly resist. The rest we don't hear from. They tell themselves, "Well, I got what I paid for" or "Hey, it's good enough."

                            And there have always been "cheap" barrels and bargain-basement ARs. So this really isn't anything new, or is it? Does it just seem new cuz it's the Grendel? What's the story with cheap barrels in the 5.56 world? Is everybody ditching more expensive barrels in the 5.56 world cuz cheap barrels are "just as good"?

                            The whole thing is difficult to sort through . . . to wait for long-term trends . . . for a reputation to develop. But, I guess, if the price is right it's not that hard to take a chance and plunge in. . . .
                            :: 6.5 GRENDEL Deer and Targets :: 6mmARC Targets and Varmints and Deer :: 22 ARC Varmints and Targets

                            :: I Drank the Water :: Revelation 21:6 ::

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                            • kevperro
                              Bloodstained
                              • Apr 2017
                              • 70

                              #15
                              You will likely never know why they are priced the way they are. There are all types of business models and methods to price a good or service and sometimes companies do things that are not sustainable for good reasons (or bad). Speaking from running a business in another industry I've found that consumers are not always able to accurately judge quality. In that industry I knew vendors selling poor quality products for many hundred percent marke-up and other vendors selling product at very reasonable margins for high quality goods. You would like to think that consumers are rational, but I've found that especially with hobbies they often are not. They often buy into a "story" behind the product and even perception of products among educated consumers is often goofy. Things go in/out on fads.

                              Just accept the $80 goodness of getting a reasonable barrel and go put some rounds down range.

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