wolf mpt

[62flint]

I had some wolf mpt ammo. I think it was 120 grain loads. Much to my surprise it shoots much better out of my lilja 20 inch barrel than factory AA 123 scenars.
The down side is I shot all my wolf and have not found any since for sale.
The wolf was shooting around .5moa and the 123 scenars are close to moa,
Very surprised at that. I thought for sure the AA would out shoot the wolf.
Any one know where I can find some more wolf 120 mpt in stock?
Any one would care to guess why the wold simply out shoots the AA load?

[burnsome]

I've had almost the same experience with wolf mpt in my budget build 12 inch shorty. It shoots about 1-1.5 moa all day long out to 100 yards. Hornady sst's have just a very slight advantage most days at that distance (maybe 1 moa), but much better especially at longer distances (300-400 yards). Probably comes down to the shooter and not the gun in my experience but if I am shooting longer distances I reach for the hornady. Both wolf and hornady both shot much better than black hills 6.5 LBC in my gun anyway. since I'm in Georgia, there's not that many places to shoot longer distances like out west so wolf mpt is good for almost all my shooting needs with the Grendel. I stocked up on a bunch of it last time it was available (from AIM I think), but that was a while back.

[Variable]

Yeah, I'm slightly surprised, but not much. The Wolf MPT has always been an excellent load (for the $) in my book. Your rifle just likes it. My 19.5" will print 5 shot groups around an inch with it, and my 14.5" had them under 1.5" with a number of groups going around 1.25".

Availability? I have no idea. I wish it'd come in by the buttload and stay cheap. It was $14ish a box for a while, then seemed to creep up to the $17 range. Much more, and it gets too close to the Hornady cost in my book.

I wish the Serbs would send an entire freighter of it over!

If the Wolf steel case ends up costing too much (not starting any rumors--- I think it'll be okay), then I'll go back to stacking whatever good priced MPT loads I find in the future. I have a lot of respect for Prvi Partizan.

[biodsl]

Any one know where I can find some more wolf 120 mpt in stock?

Wolf MPT shot as well out of my Sabre Defense barrel as A-max did. The supply seemed to dry up many months ago and never returned. I've bought hundreds of rounds of A-Max and SSTs as a result. I really, really hope I'm wrong but I fear we may never see Wolf MPT again. At $15 a box I felt it was a good deal.

[k280]

It shoots good in my 19.5" also. I bought some of the bullets from Grafs but I haven't loaded any yet.

[cory]

I just can't justify paying over $0.50 per round for wolf mpt, when I can get Hornady SST and AMAX for under a $1.00 per round. Even if I didn't reload I could sell the hornady brass for ~$0.30 a piece.

I think that's what 1x fired hornady is going for.

From what I've heard it doesn't seem the wolf mpt brass is worth the time to reload, even if I didn't have to work up a load specific to that brass.

[biodsl]

I just can't justify paying over $0.50 per round for wolf mpt, when I can get Hornady SST and AMAX for under a $1.00 per round. Even if I didn't reload I could sell the hornady brass for ~$0.30 a piece.

Valid point, Cory. When I first started with the Grendel, the price spread between Wolf and Hornady was greater than it has been more recently. I don't reload (I'm signed up for an NRA class in August), but once I begin to do so I suspect I'll miss the MPT less.

[stanc]

I just can't justify paying over $0.50 per round for wolf mpt, when I can get Hornady SST and AMAX for under a $1.00 per round. Even if I didn't reload I could sell the hornady brass for ~$0.30 a piece.

So, if a Grendel shooter doesn't reload, he'd have to expend time and effort to pick up the fired cases, locate a buyer for them, then package and ship them, all in order to cut his ammo cost to $0.70 per round. Since that's still 140% of the price of Wolf MPT, it just doesn't seem very cost-effective.

Personally, I'd opt for the Wolf stuff, and leave the empty cases where they fall. Would save a lot of work, in addition to saving $0.20 per round...

[LR1955]

I just can't justify paying over $0.50 per round for wolf mpt, when I can get Hornady SST and AMAX for under a $1.00 per round. Even if I didn't reload I could sell the hornady brass for ~$0.30 a piece.

I think that's what 1x fired hornady is going for.

From what I've heard it doesn't seem the wolf mpt brass is worth the time to reload, even if I didn't have to work up a load specific to that brass.

Cory:

The Wolf MPT brass can be loaded four or five times. And you won't see a bit of difference in accuracy between the PPU brass, Lapua, or Hornady.

I have a couple hundred rounds of Wolf MPT and I still want to shoot it at 300 and 500. It holds a minute for me at 200 and does so very consistently. Am curious about its ability at moderate distances,

At $.50 a shot, it was the best deal around.

I will not say the same for the initial Wolf 123 grain Soft Points. That stuff was pure garbage including the brass.

LR55

[cory]

So, if a Grendel shooter doesn't reload, he'd have to expend time and effort to pick up the fired cases, locate a buyer for them, then package and ship them, all in order to cut his ammo cost to $0.70 per round. Since that's still 140% of the price of Wolf MPT, it just doesn't seem very cost-effective.

Personally, I'd opt for the Wolf stuff, and leave the empty cases where they fall. Would save a lot of work, in addition to saving $0.20 per round...

At $0.50 per round you have a point. However, has it not been selling for $17 a box? That's $0.85 a round. At that price point you can buy Hornady ammo and sell the brass, then you're money ahead.

You need to get the Wolf MPT at less than $14 a box to argue it might be a better deal.

[cory]

Cory:

The Wolf MPT brass can be loaded four or five times. And you won't see a bit of difference in accuracy between the PPU brass, Lapua, or Hornady.

I have a couple hundred rounds of Wolf MPT and I still want to shoot it at 300 and 500. It holds a minute for me at 200 and does so very consistently. Am curious about its ability at moderate distances,

At $.50 a shot, it was the best deal around.

I will not say the same for the initial Wolf 123 grain Soft Points. That stuff was pure garbage including the brass.

LR55

Fair enough, but what would you pay for once fired PPU brass?

Hell at $0.50 or less, I'd pick some up. That is a great deal.

[stanc]

At $0.50 per round you have a point. However, has it not been selling for $17 a box?

I have no idea. I was going by the ($0.50 and $1.00) prices in your post.

That's $0.85 a round. At that price point you can buy Hornady ammo and sell the brass, then you're money ahead.

You need to get the Wolf MPT at less than $14 a box to argue it might be a better deal.

Only if you're willing to police up the brass, find a buyer, pack and ship it. I did that a couple of times, but found it to be more trouble than the small amount of $$$ it returned...especially if you figure out how much "hourly wages" you earn from all that labor. Personally, if I'm going to work, I want to get a lot more than a dollar or so per hour.

Even at $0.85 vs $1.00, I'd go with the MPT.

[62flint]

All this is well and good, But where can wolf mpt be found?

[LR1955]

Fair enough, but what would you pay for once fired PPU brass?

Hell at $0.50 or less, I'd pick some up. That is a great deal.

Cory:

My mistake. When it first came out and if you bought it in case lots, it was around $.65 per shot, not $.50.

If one could prove it was MPT lots and not the Wolf 123 lots, and was fired from a decent chamber, and was sized and de-capped, I would probably pay $.25 a piece.

That is if I needed any Grendel brass.

Right now I have enough Grendel brass for the rest of my life.

LR55

[k280]

I finally shot some of the 120 mpt loaded in ppu brass, Tula primers, and 28 gr of H-335. Didn't chrono them, I was trying out my new suppressor. Once I got it on the steel, I put 4 in the same spot. I wish it was on paper so I could get an accurate measurement. It was the best group I have shot with this gun. Will have to learn how to post pics. The TBAC 30P-1 makes the Grendel sound like an unsuppressed .22 rifle.