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  • LRRPF52
    Super Moderator
    • Sep 2014
    • 8608

    Knowing your calipers

    I just wanted to introduce the topic of the calipers with a diagram of the calipers and some of their features.



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  • LRRPF52
    Super Moderator
    • Sep 2014
    • 8608

    #2
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    • JASmith
      Chieftain
      • Sep 2014
      • 1624

      #3
      Nice description!
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      • sneaky one
        Chieftain
        • Mar 2011
        • 3077

        #4
        Sweet find! This should help a few out.

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        • wheelguner
          Warrior
          • Oct 2011
          • 407

          #5
          I use to help the Quality Assurance Department of an aerospace company by preparing visual aids similar to that as well as lessons and tests for their personnel. That is great stuff. I was able to sit in am classes when I wanted to. One of lessons was to teach us to be consistent in our operation of various measuring devises such as calipers. One of the tests was to measure an assortment of shims marked with alphabetical characters and to list the readings we got. One of the perks of my job was to get a set of "Standard units" they used to test instruments. In it was a precision gauge that was 1"x.50"x.25" (accurate to +/-.0001) and a OIML Class E2 stainless steel 10 milligram calibration weight ( has an accuracy of +/- 0.008 milligrams (0.000008 grams) both in airtight containers and to be handled only when wearing gloves. Nice to have and damned glad that I didn't have to pay for them.
          In case you haven't already figured out from this and my other posts on this forum I AM ANAL and I have a teeshirt that says that the front with */-.0000005 below those words.

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          • 1075 tech
            Warrior
            • Apr 2015
            • 681

            #6
            I only have a set of electronic calipers. I've never used the dial ones. I find that the amount of tension or pressure used when measuring can change the results by several thousandths. How does one know exactly how much pressure to apply to get consistent readings?

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            • LR1955
              Super Moderator
              • Mar 2011
              • 3357

              #7
              Originally posted by 1075 tech View Post
              I only have a set of electronic calipers. I've never used the dial ones. I find that the amount of tension or pressure used when measuring can change the results by several thousandths. How does one know exactly how much pressure to apply to get consistent readings?
              1075:

              For reloading it won't make a difference. Just use a consistent amount of pressure each time if you think it matters.

              I do hear you though about changes depending on how much pressure you put on the calipers. Sure will give different measures. Never seen it go as far as several thousandths though. Maybe a thousandth? Anyway, it doesn't matter when measuring for handloading.

              LR1955

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              • 65Whelen
                Warrior
                • Sep 2014
                • 671

                #8
                I'll add my two cents here. I worked QA that had to comply with milspecs and medical devices manf., both demanded certified, traceable calibration of all measuring devices. Is this necessary for a lot of the discussion here, no. But if you have a question about the accuracy of your calipers, it's easy to find out. I picked up a set of gauge blocks used for calibration at a garage sale. Or, stop at reputable machine shop, odds are they have a set gauge blocks and ask them to check your calipers.

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                • LRRPF52
                  Super Moderator
                  • Sep 2014
                  • 8608

                  #9
                  I'm interested to hear what some of you with industry standardization experience have to contribute, as well as those like LR1955 who have been reloading for decades.

                  One rule of thumb is to always zero out your calipers before taking a measurement. This involves:

                  1. Wiping the caliper jaws clean,

                  2. Closing the jaws to mechanical zero,

                  3. Confirming that the gauge indicates "0".
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                  • 1075 tech
                    Warrior
                    • Apr 2015
                    • 681

                    #10
                    Originally posted by LR1955 View Post
                    1075:

                    For reloading it won't make a difference. Just use a consistent amount of pressure each time if you think it matters.

                    I do hear you though about changes depending on how much pressure you put on the calipers. Sure will give different measures. Never seen it go as far as several thousandths though. Maybe a thousandth? Anyway, it doesn't matter when measuring for handloading.

                    LR1955
                    Yeah sorry. I guess it was 10/1000's. I'm guessing if I have to worry about measurements varying by, say, 0.0005", I'm too anal or there is a serious issue.

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                    • LR1955
                      Super Moderator
                      • Mar 2011
                      • 3357

                      #11
                      Originally posted by LRRPF52 View Post
                      I'm interested to hear what some of you with industry standardization experience have to contribute, as well as those like LR1955 who have been reloading for decades.

                      One rule of thumb is to always zero out your calipers before taking a measurement. This involves:

                      1. Wiping the caliper jaws clean,

                      2. Closing the jaws to mechanical zero,

                      3. Confirming that the gauge indicates "0".
                      Absolutely correct.

                      Every time I reload I do that check list. Amazing how many times the calipers have slipped and are way off before zeroing. Or some crud has gotten between the jaws and is giving false readings.

                      I am not particularly anal about slight variances due to pressure on the calipers when I measure something but damn sure will clean them and zero them before using them.

                      LR55

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                      • JASmith
                        Chieftain
                        • Sep 2014
                        • 1624

                        #12
                        I try to use the same pressure I used to get "0" when taking serious measurements.
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                        "If at first you do succeed, try not to look astonished!" -- Milton Berle

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                        • Djgrendel
                          Warrior
                          • Feb 2016
                          • 200

                          #13
                          One thing many people overlook is checking calipers over a standard to verify zero means zero and 1" means 1" and so forth.
                          Yard work is not an excuse!

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                          • rocksoldier1
                            Unwashed
                            • Nov 2013
                            • 6

                            #14
                            A good set of 1-2-3 blocks might be cheaper than individual standards.

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                            • Adam Lilja
                              Warrior
                              • Dec 2013
                              • 267

                              #15
                              Just saw this. I find digital calipers to be worthless (especially is working with and around liquids) and much prefer a good set of dial calipers. Starrett or Mitutoyo are the best. Brown and Sharpe 3rd. You will never get as good a reading with calipers as you will with a micrometer, whether it be inside mic or outside mic. Calipers are usually a ballpark measurement tool. By ballpark I mean +-.002

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