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  • BluntForceTrauma
    Administrator
    • Feb 2011
    • 3897

    Grendelski?


    Link to source: http://kitup.military.com/2011/10/re...lashnikov.html

    So, let me get this straight:

    1. Looking for more range.

    2. Not 7.62.

    3. Not 5.45.

    4. The Russians use what works, not what's the popular flavor of the month in the American tacti-cool scene. Anyone wanna bet they end up with something that looks remarkably similar to a 6.5 Grendel?

    John
    :: 6.5 GRENDEL Deer and Targets :: 6mmARC Targets and Varmints and Deer :: 22 ARC Varmints and Targets

    :: I Drank the Water :: Revelation 21:6 ::

  • #2
    Maybe they can call it the Klakashnagren...

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    • #3
      John,

      When you are looking to replace the 7.62X39 with something other than the 5.45 or the 5.56 and you are happy with the 7.62X39 numbers of rounds in magazine, logistics, etc., the Grendel suddenly becomes very attractive. Even though one might not expect the Grendel to do better than the 7.62X54R or the 7.62X51 in all tactical situations, it gets very close.

      This would mean that a fair fraction of the battle force gets a capability approaching the big 30's with the same number of cartridges and less recoil than the 7.62X39!!

      Interesting!?

      Cheers!
      Joe

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      • #4
        Maybe then we can get some good mags!

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        • #5
          If you want to see some real mag problems, try using AK mags from different countries in AK's made somewhere else. The Russians are innovating again...Apachksi, MRAPski, ACOGski, they'll never recover from what happened in 1917-1938...1953 really. They killed all the brains, or forced them out of the country. You will understand quickly by looking at Soviet and Russian designs that they never stood a chance without direct access to the US Patent Office.

          It won't matter what assault rifle caliber they adopt anyway, since their soldiers default to the automatic mode of fire 99% of the time. The only guys I've seen that don't are using VALs in CQB for anti-terror missions (where the local mayor or regional governor has decided to seize a successful business, imprison the owner, and offer him to sell his company at 10% value if he wants to see the light of day again). They roll up with BMP-2's, and masked Spetznaz troops dismount, then raid the place. It happens all the time there...normalla...

          Why would they copy the US MRAP vehicles? Maybe for duty in Chechnya and Dagestan.

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          • #6
            Either way would be a plus for us

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            • #7
              Originally posted by stanc
              An interesting possibility. Wouldn't it be ironic if 6.5 Grendel were to be ignored by the US armed forces, only to be adopted by the Russian military?
              The Russians officially adopted the AN-94 Abakan assault rifle in 1986. Most Russian soldiers don't even know what it is. They've prototyped a lot of things, but they rarely go into mass-production, unless they're making them for another country...or that country buys the licensing with shared components made in Russia. Venezuela entered into one of these agreements so they could have an out-dated Russian small arms factory making AK-100 series there.

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              • stanc
                Banned
                • Apr 2011
                • 3430

                #8
                From Tony's forum:
                I have just heard that the Russian Army is developing a new intermediate caliber round based on the 6.5 mm Grendel. The case will be slightly extended to contain extra propellant needed for long-range performance and the G7 form factor will be similar to the existing 5.45 mm round. The ammunition is expected to be used in a new family of weapons designed to replace the AK-74 and will include a new belt-fed machine gun.

                http://forums.delphiforums.com/autog...ges?msg=5287.1

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                • bwaites
                  Moderator
                  • Mar 2011
                  • 4445

                  #9
                  Originally posted by stanc View Post
                  From Tony's forum:
                  Which might explain why they are taking so freaking long with steel case and ironing everything out perfectly!

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                  • Bill Alexander

                    #10
                    And the rumors abound!

                    The Russians are looking at the Grendel specifically as a commercial enterprise to meet the requirements of the export market. While Molot is to produce weapons in this caliber ( already seen and handled the first production units), they are to be a sporterized design to suit non military sales. Close collaboration between the design houses may lead to additional weapons. Izhmash was involved in some discussion, but so were a number of the factories. It cannot be emphasized enough that there is no military application whatsoever and as such both the rounds magazines and weapons are strictly commercial and for sporting purposes.

                    The case design is completed and we are now formalizing what projectile is to loaded. The case length already allows for a good flight characteristic so effort is concentrating upon the construction and projectile weight. It is generally recognized that a lighter bullet will reduce recoil and produce a better lethal arc but that this must be tempered with range and energy requirements.

                    I wonder where the idea that the round was to lengthened came from. It was broached in discussion but so were taper, shoulder angle, powder types and many other things. Take a table, add Russians, Finns, Germans, a Brit, good food and beer and a many things get discussed.

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                    • sneaky one
                      Chieftain
                      • Mar 2011
                      • 3077

                      #11
                      Hmmm, Bill,- sounds like the 95-110 class of projectiles will be favored ?

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                      • stanc
                        Banned
                        • Apr 2011
                        • 3430

                        #12


                        "Izhmash has unveiled a prototype sniper rifle called the VS-121. This bullpup rifle uses an action based on the Dragunov sniper rifle action. With its heavy profile 24.4″ barrel it weights just under 10 lbs. It will be chambered for 7.62x54mm, 7.62x51mm and a new cartridge Izhmash is developing."

                        Grendelski, maybe?

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                        • sneaky one
                          Chieftain
                          • Mar 2011
                          • 3077

                          #13
                          Stan man=good to see you up & about. A bullpup design would be nice for the Grrrr. -Say 6.0 lbs. or less?
                          Anything is possible.
                          I'll let you know what I come up with. Soldier on Stan. We all still love ya!
                          S1

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