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    Wolf Steel Case

    The day has come, Wolf Steel case will soon be available in stores everywhere!

    Well, soon may be a relative term, but there are actually steel cases in the hands of those who need them to check loads and pressures.

    David Fortier reports that Wolf has been at the Big 3 meetings he and other members of the press are presenting, and that they are strongly behind the Grendel and that the Barnaul factory is now producing the steel case ammunition.

    Some early pictures:





    Yep, Stan, that's FMJ, too!

    It will be Berdan primed, so no reloading unless you are really determined, but steel case is NOT for reloading anyways. Its about very inexpensive! The rifle I always thought would make a perfect 3 gun rifle will now be usable as a 3 gun rifle for reasonable cost!

    I'll try to get better pics soon!
    Last edited by bwaites; 10-06-2011 at 05:55 AM.
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    We should be able to plink with the Grendel at close to 7.62x39 prices. This is a game-changer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LRRPF52 View Post
    We should be able to plink with the Grendel at close to 7.62x39 prices. This is a game-changer.
    My thoughts exactly!
    ”You seek escape from pain. We seek the achievement of happiness. You exist for the sake of avoiding punishment. We exist for the sake of earning rewards. Threats will not make us function; fear is not our incentive. It is not death that we wish to avoid, but life that we wish to live.” - John Galt

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    Popularity will surge even more now among the close-range paper-puncher crowd. This changes things for me and my builds now, as I can turn my 16" into a beater. I'm thinking of doing something really fun with it.

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    Very very nice! What great news to wake up to. Now if I can just get over that high heel thing.

    Alex

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    mseric
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    Will this Berdan primed ammo cause the same FTF issues that have plagued the 7.62x39 AR's for years?

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    As I understand it, the FTF issues with 7.62x39 are related to the straight AR magwell and the curvature needed by the tapered 7.62 brass. That should not be a Grendel issue.
    ”You seek escape from pain. We seek the achievement of happiness. You exist for the sake of avoiding punishment. We exist for the sake of earning rewards. Threats will not make us function; fear is not our incentive. It is not death that we wish to avoid, but life that we wish to live.” - John Galt

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    Quote Originally Posted by bwaites View Post

    It will be Berdan primed, so no reloading unless you are really determined, but steel case is NOT for reloading anyways.
    However they could be resized once fired and used to
    1. to set your seating depth on your dies for differant loads.
    2. Setup your sizing dies to minimum sizing / measure your chamber
    3. provide action dummies.
    Hopefully the cost will Low as they might provide cheap fodder for razorback hunting if the terminal effect are there.

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    One question that I have is how will this affect the durability of your firearm? I know that I have sent thousands of rounds down range from steel case in .223, but I stopped when I started to reload. It is so much cheaper, but the question I have is the steel lips on the case... Will it naw at your feed ramp? I know that it's highly discouraged in pistols due to that fact... I have never had the issue with my current setup in .223, but I sure don't want to have an issue with my grendel...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mseric View Post
    Will this Berdan primed ammo cause the same FTF issues that have plagued the 7.62x39 AR's for years?
    mseric
    In Bill's post is what has been explained to me as the issues of the 7.62X39 in the AR family coupled with the body taper which is greater on the AK than the 5.56 causes feed issues. But since the grendels taper is more in line with 5.56 there sould be no feed issues the priming method should not pose any issues. Many view the Berdan priming better as two flash holes are used and supposably provides better ignition? YMMV

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    By FTF I mention failure to fire. Think "enhanced" pin for the 7.62x39.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mseric View Post
    By FTF I mention failure to fire. Think "enhanced" pin for the 7.62x39.
    I Cee
    I'm thinking that "if" the firing pin protruestion is where it "should" be varing on firing pin vs bolt set up the amount of protruestion is "supposed" to be the same for either priming methods. short answer should not pose a issue my reasoning is I never seen a firearm made for just one priming method. Could their be a need for a firing pin bolt combo to be modified sure but too much = pierced primers= bad thing
    yeah yeah my spelling sucks

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    Since most steel case 7.69 ammo was surplus, and thus produced for full auto, where the AK is the primary recipient, harder primers were probably necessary.

    Wolf understands that this ammo will be used in the Grendel, and I suspect that getting proper Berdan primers shouldn't be an issue.
    ”You seek escape from pain. We seek the achievement of happiness. You exist for the sake of avoiding punishment. We exist for the sake of earning rewards. Threats will not make us function; fear is not our incentive. It is not death that we wish to avoid, but life that we wish to live.” - John Galt

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    maybe we can get cheap fmj bullets for plinking for those of is that like to roll our own?

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    Quote Originally Posted by speederx7 View Post
    maybe we can get cheap fmj bullets for plinking for those of is that like to roll our own?
    Why would you roll your own plinking ammo if this comes in at the price previously predicted? (Less than .30/round). I can't come close to loading for that price!
    ”You seek escape from pain. We seek the achievement of happiness. You exist for the sake of avoiding punishment. We exist for the sake of earning rewards. Threats will not make us function; fear is not our incentive. It is not death that we wish to avoid, but life that we wish to live.” - John Galt

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    I still see Failure To Fire issues with AK's in my courses...doesn't matter if the ammo is Sako Finnish military (Sako Berdan-primed 7.62x39), or Barnaul. The AK is just a crude, overly-praised for reliability, mass-produced by tons of different countries system, that has tolerance stack issues within the same lot, let alone between countries and magazines. No matter how much I tell AK fanatics how less than reliable they can be, the drum has been beat for so long that they are a 100% reliable system, that even the guys who have all the problems with them still will step up to the pulpit and broadcast with confidence the AK's supreme reliability standard. If you purchase tons of different mags, run them through your AK, toss the ones that don't work, and troubleshoot your system, you'll have a gun that works fine.

    Every time a guy with an AK, (including me), has an a malf with one, I bellow as loud as possible, "The most reliable system in the world!" in a heavy Russian accent. Malfs with AK's usually cause major delays in the flow of teams going from room-to-room as well, since dealing with the mag is a more cumbersome event, especially the heavy steel mags. In the winter courses, where temps are -20 C, we had more failures to activate primers than I would have liked to have seen. None with the AR's...wich ran like champs.

    One of the problems with 7.62x39 AR15's was the same tolerance issues from one bolt, to a different barrel, and home-builds. The Colt 7.62x39 AR's run really well with the CProducts 30rd mags, as long as you use stronger mag springs. Guys I know use AK mag springs in them, and they run great that way.

    It will be interesting to see what mag design Vepr and Saiga go with if they chamber AK's in the Grendel.
    Last edited by LRRPF52; 01-03-2013 at 02:56 PM. Reason: Sako is Finnish Defense Force mfgr of 7.62x39.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sniper20 View Post
    One question that I have is how will this affect the durability of your firearm? ...
    I suspect the answer to this question is that if you can afford to put enough rounds through your gun to wear out the anodizing on the M4 feed ramps, you can afford to replace the upper. I don't see how the soft steel cases could manage to cause any measurable wear on the hardened steel ramps of the barrel extension.

    FYI, the upper nor the barrel on my Grendel target rig have M4 feed ramp cuts, and I have no feed issues with the gun.

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    so when will they go public with this cause saami is still denying it lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by jwilson1985 View Post
    so when will they go public with this cause saami is still denying it lol
    They went public, announcing it at the Big 3 Conference. How long it will take for all the administrative details is anyones guess! LOL!!!
    ”You seek escape from pain. We seek the achievement of happiness. You exist for the sake of avoiding punishment. We exist for the sake of earning rewards. Threats will not make us function; fear is not our incentive. It is not death that we wish to avoid, but life that we wish to live.” - John Galt

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    Quote Originally Posted by sgt_murf View Post
    I Cee
    I'm thinking that "if" the firing pin protruestion is where it "should" be varing on firing pin vs bolt set up the amount of protruestion is "supposed" to be the same for either priming methods. short answer should not pose a issue my reasoning is I never seen a firearm made for just one priming method. Could their be a need for a firing pin bolt combo to be modified sure but too much = pierced primers= bad thing
    yeah yeah my spelling sucks
    Enhanced pin for Berdan primers.
    http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a3...firingpins.jpg

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