Interesting that they find a shorter, lighter, faster, lower BC bullet more suited to military/police use.
Serbia adopting 6.5 Grendel as main military cartridge
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Originally posted by CavityBackBullets View PostInteresting that they find a shorter, lighter, faster, lower BC bullet more suited to military/police use.
But you are essentially correct, and I was proposing a lighter solution from 2014 and your favorite LRRPF52 from 2013, or earlier, and Sneaky here from when he first joined in 2009.
Anyway, gonna be interesting to follow what the Serbs are doing.:: 6.5 GRENDEL Deer and Targets :: 6mmARC Targets and Varmints and Deer :: 22 ARC Varmints and Targets
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Stan, looks like the ogive in the PPU 110 FMJ is a rather unimaginative standard tangent ogive. I'm not really expecting anything advanced from the Serbs here, but once you create the correct bullet die, it doesn't take any more energy to swage it optimally as opposed to what they've "always done."
I tend to agree with you that those figures are from a 20" barrel. To get those speeds from a 16" at about 50,000 psi or less, they'd have to do some serious load development research.:: 6.5 GRENDEL Deer and Targets :: 6mmARC Targets and Varmints and Deer :: 22 ARC Varmints and Targets
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Originally posted by BluntForceTrauma View PostRobert, the right solution is the right solution, although I don't know if going shorter than, oh, 1.25" is necessary.
Cannelure-to-tip length is almost certainly unchanged, but it's possible that the base is shortened.
Think similar to the difference between the 7N22 (below, left) and 7N24 projectiles (below, right).
Originally posted by BluntForceTrauma View PostAnd, as you know, the nose needs to be the very best hybrid Von Karman ogive they can muster.
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The 110 grain FMJ PPU bullet I recovered from water testing had a flattened nose and believe the design is similar to the hollow nose 5.45x39 7N6 FMJ. With the steel penetrator I’d be surprised if the profile is much different than the 110 grain FMJ bullet PPU imported. I just hope Serbia adopts a brass cased cartridge with small rifle primers and better quality brass. My 16” Faxon group buy barrel is accurate with 120 grain HP BT PPU bullet. I hope Prvi Partizan resumes importation of 6.5 Grenel ammo again.
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As a result of searching for more recent info on this subject, a thought occurred to me.
PPU announced the recall of 6.5 Grendel ammo in September or October of last year.
This video shows the Serbian army was then using PPU commercial 6.5 Grendel ammo.
See 4:11-4:18 and 6:03-6:26
I can't help but wonder if there was actually no problem with the ammo, and the real reason for the recall was to fill a supply shortfall (for weapons test and evaluation) until military loads could be developed and enter the inventory?
Was the PPU 6.5 Grendel ammo recall conspiracy or coincidence?
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The same thought crossed my mind. The PPU weak brass cased 6.5 Grendel ammo wasn’t well suited for the American market because of freguent hand loaders. I think there were some quality control issues with the PPU 6.5 Grendel which might be exasperated by all the different conditions and barrel/bolt configurations.
Pull the PPU 6.5 Grendel ammo off the US market use it in an AK gas piston system with the same chamber configuration under controlled conditions. No bad PR from 6.5 Grendel ammo on US market but Company not taking a huge loss. The fact that Wolf has not pulled their lots of PPU manufactured 120 grain HP BT/MPT leads me to believe PPU pulled their 6.5 G ammo to use for testing till they Standardized on new spec and manufacturing of military contract 6.5X39 Grendel ammo.
I didn’t return my recalled PPU ammo. I had already shot ammo out of each of the different lots with no problems. I bought my PPU 6.5 Grendel very cheap from PSA and PPU didn’t have any ammo in stock I wanted. The PPU 6.5 Grendel 120 grain BTHP shoots really good out of my Faxon group buy 16” barrel. I understand the risk but that was my decision.Last edited by VASCAR2; 11-24-2017, 01:11 PM.
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Hadn't seen any news on this topic since late last year, so I went searching and found this Serbian video that was posted three months ago.
"The Army of Serbia got 740 rifles from the Belgian production SCAR-L, which completed the project of equipping a special brigade of 1,500 soldiers. It is part of the Serbian Army's equipping program launched two years ago with the aim of improving its operational and functional capabilities."
Not sure if this means Serbia has dropped the idea of going with the domestic M17 rifle in 6.5 Grendel, in favor of the FN SCAR in 5.56mm?
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Sounds like something for the Specijalna brigada, rather than their regular army units.
Specijalna brigada has Anti-terrorist, Airborne, Reconnaissance, and Maritime units under it for more commando-type mission sets.
They've done some joint training and exchanges with Croats, Greeks, Romanis, Bulgarians, Bosnian-Herzogovinans, and Turks.
Sounds like they wanted a more modern modular assault rifle system than the older Kalashnikov-based rifles that are basically obsolete in the 21st century, without full redesign for interface with modern accessories.NRA Basic, Pistol, Rifle, Shotgun, RSO
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Originally posted by LRRPF52 View PostSounds like something for the Specijalna brigada, rather than their regular army units.
Sounds like they wanted a more modern modular assault rifle system than the older Kalashnikov-based rifles that are basically obsolete in the 21st century, without full redesign for interface with modern accessories.
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