8208 and 100 gr amax?

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  • terrywick4
    Warrior
    • Sep 2014
    • 181

    8208 and 100 gr amax?

    Has anyone had any luck with 100 gr amax and 8208? I'm looking to work up a load for an 18 inch barrel and have 8lbs of 8208.
  • Kilco
    Chieftain
    • Jan 2016
    • 1201

    #2
    30.4gr 8208 under a 100gr amax give me 2700 fps with a 16" barrel and shoots around .7 moa. Very good shooting bullet!

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    • Grendelshooter
      Warrior
      • Jun 2017
      • 214

      #3
      Damn! I might Moscow match this bullet into my wolf.
      Got a bunch of 8208 coming too.

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      • wraith1516
        Warrior
        • Dec 2014
        • 316

        #4
        30 .0 gr gives me 2730fps in a bhw 20"bbl with 3/8"groups at 100 meters

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        • Grendelshooter
          Warrior
          • Jun 2017
          • 214

          #5
          So, very new to Grendel (rifle still has not been built, final parts coming this weekend) but what sort of range would the 8208/100gr AMAX be accurate to? Out of an 18 inch AR performance SPR barrel? Reasonable expectations?

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          • Kilco
            Chieftain
            • Jan 2016
            • 1201

            #6
            The way I look at it, the 100gr amax is close to the same b.c as the 168 SMK that is typically pushed to 2650-2700 out of a 24 "308 win to 800 yards with success, going around the same velocity with a 16-18" Grendel barrel. Should perform quite well out to appropriate ranges.

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            • StoneHendge
              Chieftain
              • May 2016
              • 2009

              #7
              Originally posted by Kilco View Post
              The way I look at it, the 100gr amax is close to the same b.c as the 168 SMK that is typically pushed to 2650-2700 out of a 24 "308 win to 800 yards with success, going around the same velocity with a 16-18" Grendel barrel. Should perform quite well out to appropriate ranges.
              It should do better! I push a 168 SMK at 2750 out of my RPR with below max Varget and nary a hard lift and make ragged 1/2" holes at 100 yds. It's a laser beam on the 10" 550 at my range but my hit % goes way down on the the 18" plate at 750 (next step out) - may be my altitude but it's already destabilized at that point. Hit % gets close to single digits at 900 and it's clearly tumbling by then. But then again, there are those melting Amax tips
              Let's go Brandon!

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              • Kilco
                Chieftain
                • Jan 2016
                • 1201

                #8
                Originally posted by StoneHendge View Post
                It should do better! I push a 168 SMK at 2750 out of my RPR with below max Varget and nary a hard lift and make ragged 1/2" holes at 100 yds. It's a laser beam on the 10" 550 at my range but my hit % goes way down on the the 18" plate at 750 (next step out) - may be my altitude but it's already destabilized at that point. Hit % gets close to single digits at 900 and it's clearly tumbling by then. But then again, there are those melting Amax tips
                Wowzer that RPR has a fast barrel!! My Rem 700 AAC-SD with a 20" 308 pushes the 168 2700 with 45.7gr Varget, and my bolt is getting a bit sticky lol... I get 2590 from the 175 SMK over 44gr varget, very very accurate though.

                My 308 with the 175 load and my 16" Grendel are very similar with drop.. both go very well out to 810 yards at my elevation (660 asl).. but at 900 on a 12" challenge target in varying winds things can get frustrating really quick.. it's at this point the 260 comes out of the basement lol..
                Last edited by Kilco; 06-23-2017, 01:34 AM.

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                • StoneHendge
                  Chieftain
                  • May 2016
                  • 2009

                  #9
                  It is a bit fast - it is a 20". I'm using 45.5 grains with a br2 in a Lapua case. A lot of good it does me - the velocity is probably making it destabilize faster - lol. Couldn't get 175 SMKs and Varget to work but been playing with 175 RDFs I picked up cheap at Monmouth Reloading. Found the node - 44.2 grains going 2660, but can't get much better than MOA since an OAL of 2.865" is the longest I can get in my mag and I'm 0.09" off the lands! Tonight's project is loading them long at 2.935" in 0.1s around 44.2 for,single loading. My goal this summer is to wear out the barrel so I can replace it with 260/6.5C 26er when I do the AR10
                  Let's go Brandon!

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                  • Kilco
                    Chieftain
                    • Jan 2016
                    • 1201

                    #10
                    Originally posted by StoneHendge View Post
                    It is a bit fast - it is a 20". I'm using 45.5 grains with a br2 in a Lapua case. A lot of good it does me - the velocity is probably making it destabilize faster - lol. Couldn't get 175 SMKs and Varget to work but been playing with 175 RDFs I picked up cheap at Monmouth Reloading. Found the node - 44.2 grains going 2660, but can't get much better than MOA since an OAL of 2.865" is the longest I can get in my mag and I'm 0.09" off the lands! Tonight's project is loading them long at 2.935" in 0.1s around 44.2 for,single loading. My goal this summer is to wear out the barrel so I can replace it with 260/6.5C 26er when I do the AR10
                    175 going 2660 from a 20" tube?! That's awesome!!

                    IMR 4064 and ar-comp are some of my other favorite 175gr 308 powders. CFE223 and Power pro 2000 have stupid velocity, but I never found consistent accuracy.

                    I had to load the 175 TMK to 2.950 to get them to shoot in my 308... single loadloading wasn't my goal for that rifle though..

                    Hard to dispute the cream-horn in a auto-loader (I'm a big 6mm CM fan myseld).. but for a bolt gun I LOVE my 260's.. probably my favorite bolt gun cartridge. Took a bull moose black bear, and 246 pound whitetail at 450 yards with my 260 last fall pushing the 143 eld-x 2780 with my 260. Brass never seems to grow, always shoots consistant, and that rifle is where my Nightforce SHV F1 found it's home..

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                    • StoneHendge
                      Chieftain
                      • May 2016
                      • 2009

                      #11
                      Bag a kitty kat and you'll be an honorary Coloradoan! Sorry for the thread hijack. Kilco, I'm going to PM you to pick your brain as I go through my 260 vs Cream S'more gyrations
                      Let's go Brandon!

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                      • LRRPF52
                        Super Moderator
                        • Sep 2014
                        • 8569

                        #12
                        8208 XBR and 100gr in the Grendel are a very good match for each other. Pressures are lower but speeds are as high as a lot of other powders that will hit max, whereas I have yet to see a load with 8208 where you can get enough in the case to reach max pressure under a 100gr.

                        You definitely will hit max pressure with 120 and 123gr once you start getting around or past 28.5gr.

                        It's a really good combo with the 107gr SMK for target work.

                        Under a 100gr NBT, my 16" will even hit 2700fps if I compress the load.
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                        • Klem
                          Chieftain
                          • Aug 2013
                          • 3507

                          #13
                          With the 100NBT I measure 2,831fps from an eight-shot string using a 19" barrel, with 30gns of 8208. Was doubting it at the time and thought maybe the Chrony was slightly bent or something. But, when compared against 52's I am more confident.

                          When not shooting for distance I like the bullets to be as fast and flat as possible. It is both forgiving of range estimation and aids bullet expansion. Much of this site is dedicated to what travels supersonic the furthest and I get that, yet most of our shooting will be at much closer ranges.

                          For example, using the same 19" barrel;
                          120NBT drops below 2,000fps at 250yds, but goes subsonic at 950yds (using 2,480 fps MV). The drop at 200 is 0.6Mils whereas
                          100NBT drops below 2,000fps at 325yds but goes subsonic at 850yds (using 2,830fps MV). The drop at 200 is 0.4MIls

                          Compared to the weight range of the .223, 100gns is still a decent weight bullet. Depends what you are shooting of course and how often you expect to shoot the maximum possible range.

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                          • diddlyv
                            Warrior
                            • Aug 2016
                            • 352

                            #14
                            Back in my high power days 175 grainers sitting on top of Varget worked really well out of both my Remington 40XBR and the M1A. It has been about 20 years and I forget the load. Who knows Varget may have changed in the 20 years as well
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                            • LRRPF52
                              Super Moderator
                              • Sep 2014
                              • 8569

                              #15
                              Originally posted by diddlyv View Post
                              Back in my high power days 175 grainers sitting on top of Varget worked really well out of both my Remington 40XBR and the M1A. It has been about 20 years and I forget the load. Who knows Varget may have changed in the 20 years as well
                              Yup. That's a very common combo to this day. Charge weights will depend on the brass used due to varying case capacities across the 7.62 NATO and .308 brass.

                              Varget is too bulky for 6.5 Grendel in most cases.
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