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  • just_john
    Chieftain
    • Sep 2012
    • 1565

    #31
    To the gov't, there is no monetary or political value in fixing the problem, only in perpatuating the "feel good".
    One would ask, in a place like a casino based hotel where security is undoubtedly a very high priority, how did he manage to get all that hardware into that room without raising a lot of flags? And, he had to make a lot of trips in/out of the hotel. Were there no cameras in the hallways that might have seen him installing those cameras - and no one saw it? How can this be?

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    • NugginFutz
      Chieftain
      • Aug 2013
      • 2622

      #32
      Originally posted by just_john View Post
      ...
      One would ask, in a place like a casino based hotel where security is undoubtedly a very high priority, how did he manage to get all that hardware into that room without raising a lot of flags?
      Easily - within common luggage. Lest you forget, an AR can be separated into two much shorter components with ease.

      Originally posted by just_john View Post
      And, he had to make a lot of trips in/out of the hotel.
      The killer had been staying there since the previous Thursday. He could have brought 2-3 weapons in each suitcase, completing the task in just a few trips. Spread this out over the course of a day or two and nobody would have raised an eyebrow. "Hey, all I saw was a guy with a couple of suitcases."

      Originally posted by just_john View Post
      Were there no cameras in the hallways that might have seen him installing those cameras - and no one saw it? How can this be?
      He placed a camera on a food cart in the hallway. All he needed to do was order room service, tell the staff to leave the cart, install his surveillance equipment, and place the cart outside his room just prior to the attack. As far as hotel security may have been concerned, some guy was hungry.
      Last edited by NugginFutz; 10-04-2017, 02:37 PM.
      If it's true that we are here to help others, then what exactly are the others here for?

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      • bj139
        Chieftain
        • Mar 2017
        • 1968

        #33
        On the conservative radio, the announcers were talking about an atheist, disgruntled progressive shooting up a bunch of God fearing, conservative, country music loving, republican Trump supporters.

        I am guessing his party affiliation was Democrat or we would have heard about the radical conservative Republican that did this.

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        • stanc
          Banned
          • Apr 2011
          • 3430

          #34
          Originally posted by bj139 View Post
          On the conservative radio, the announcers were talking about an atheist, disgruntled progressive shooting up a bunch of God fearing, conservative, country music loving, republican Trump supporters.
          Of course conservative talk radio would spin it that way to stir up their audience. Last I heard, law enforcement had not yet established a motive.

          And reportedly the shooter was himself a country music fan.

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          • bj139
            Chieftain
            • Mar 2017
            • 1968

            #35
            Originally posted by stanc View Post
            Of course conservative talk radio would spin it that way to stir up their audience. Last I heard, law enforcement had not yet established a motive.

            And reportedly the shooter was himself a country music fan.
            Conservatives are not generally stirred up the way progressives are. That is why they are called conservative.

            Reportedly, I could say anything and be right, from a certain point of view.

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            • stanc
              Banned
              • Apr 2011
              • 3430

              #36
              Originally posted by bj139 View Post
              Conservatives are not generally stirred up the way progressives are. That is why they are called conservative.
              LOL. No.

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              • bj139
                Chieftain
                • Mar 2017
                • 1968

                #37
                I have been searching and found this.



                I dunno. If it is, you will never see it on the MSM (main stream media).

                I found this other one with what looks like muzzle flash near the end of the video.

                Maybe some ex-military members can comment.

                Last edited by bj139; 10-04-2017, 05:40 PM.

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                • stanc
                  Banned
                  • Apr 2011
                  • 3430

                  #38
                  Originally posted by bj139 View Post
                  I have been searching and found this.

                  I dunno. If it is, you will never see it on the MSM (main stream media).
                  I found this other one with what looks like muzzle flash near the end of the video.
                  Maybe some ex-military members can comment.
                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Fp3xgmQgiA
                  Oh, jeez.
                  The narrator of the first video even says it's impossible to tell who the guy in the pink shirt is.
                  And the second video contains so much stupid that I'm not going to waste time addressing it.

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                  • JASmith
                    Chieftain
                    • Sep 2014
                    • 1620

                    #39
                    The level and detail of planning gives ample food for thinking about how much help this guy had and from whom...
                    shootersnotes.com

                    "To those who have fought and almost died for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know."
                    -- Author Unknown

                    "If at first you do succeed, try not to look astonished!" -- Milton Berle

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                    • BjornF16
                      Chieftain
                      • Jun 2011
                      • 1825

                      #40
                      Originally posted by stanc View Post
                      Of course conservative talk radio would spin it that way to stir up their audience. Last I heard, law enforcement had not yet established a motive.

                      And reportedly the shooter was himself a country music fan.
                      Stan, see link below. It was libturds that started the "targeting Trump supporters" on Monday. Some even celebrated...



                      I believe it will ultimately be revealed he was another sick leftist with a political agenda...stay tuned
                      LIFE member: NRA, TSRA, SAF, GOA
                      Defend the Constitution and our 2A Rights!

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                      • Klem
                        Chieftain
                        • Aug 2013
                        • 3507

                        #41
                        Until they find some evidence that points to a more interesting motive it's just some old crazy b*stard's planned suicide. We know from his neighbours that he was anti-social, and we also know he was socialised by a morally corrupt father; a convicted bank robber. For a while his dad was the FBI's Most Wanted so an important person in his sons eyes. His dad stood up to the rest of society while on the run. That sort of thing can leave an impression on a son.

                        Getting towards the end of his meaningless life and wanted to go out in familiar infamy. Engineers his own movie where he gets to star as the master antagonist; for a brief moment the focal point of an entire population, just like his dad. The apple didn't fall too far from the tree.

                        He sends his partner off to the Philippines to be with her family and then wires her $100K (her two sisters gave an interview last night). Prima facie she didn't know.

                        While it is exciting to think there might be a second shooter on the grassy knoll, or a covert Islamic sleeper cell the most likely reason is the one that best fits the evidence - relevance deprivation syndrome. He was a big stakes gambler who saw suicide as his last hand, with potentially the biggest payout of his miserable life. In his own twisted mind he probably won.
                        Last edited by Klem; 10-05-2017, 01:11 AM.

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                        • stanc
                          Banned
                          • Apr 2011
                          • 3430

                          #42
                          Originally posted by JASmith View Post
                          The level and detail of planning gives ample food for thinking about how much help this guy had and from whom...
                          Oh, yes. It takes a huuuuge amount of planning to:

                          Book a hotel room.
                          Bring guns into the hotel in luggage.
                          Break window.
                          Shoot guns.

                          Puhleeez.

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                          • Drift
                            Warrior
                            • Nov 2014
                            • 509

                            #43
                            JASmith point is well taken. To gather the needed intelligence, scout out different venues for alternate potential places to attack, figuring out the best shot angles of attack for a kill box, picking the time, figuring out the logistics of transporting an arsenal by car, accessing the hotel room with enough supplies for a couple of dozen rifles with associated gear like tripods/ different scopes/ ammo/water/ food/como, all the while staying under the radar speaks to a level of sophistication that is breathtaking..or shows a unbeliviable level of luck.

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                            • Klem
                              Chieftain
                              • Aug 2013
                              • 3507

                              #44
                              I remain unconvinced this was breathtakingly 'sophisticated'. It's a simple plan executed by an intelligent individual. With a bit more thought he could have remained at large and murdered more people.

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                              • stanc
                                Banned
                                • Apr 2011
                                • 3430

                                #45
                                Originally posted by Drift View Post
                                JASmith point is well taken. To gather the needed intelligence, scout out different venues for alternate potential places to attack, figuring out the best shot angles of attack for a kill box, picking the time, figuring out the logistics of transporting an arsenal by car, accessing the hotel room with enough supplies for a couple of dozen rifles with associated gear like tripods/ different scopes/ ammo/water/ food/como, all the while staying under the radar speaks to a level of sophistication that is breathtaking...
                                Nonsense. The dates and locations of Las Vegas concerts are advertised; Google maps will show the location of hotels relative to outdoor concert venues; for an attack like this it isn't necessary to figure out "the best" firing angles; loading and driving a car is easily done by any able-bodied, adult male; taking one or two suitcases at a time into a hotel over a period of a couple of days was unlikely to attract attention; there's no need to bring food and water into the hotel when one can order room service; and commo isn't needed by a lone individual.
                                Last edited by stanc; 10-05-2017, 02:57 AM.

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