Leverevolution

[Mad Charlie]

Is this a good powder under 129 ABLR??
Does anyone have any favorite loads??

[SDguy]

Is this a good powder under 129 ABLR??
Does anyone have any favorite loads??

At the least you will find it worth a try. Think the majority here would favor CFE-223. Keep in mind I am a bolt action guy, In terms of velocity my observation has been LVR is king under a flat base 129 grain projectile HNDY SP. See who pipes in here. If it were me I would expect 29 gr would be a low starting point & you can work up to 31.5ish. Accuracy reports have came in with some high marks as well.

My best loads in a bolt action were slightly compressed then I went up another 2 grains and while accuracy went to heck i never experienced any pressure signs with LVR. Again my experience has been with the flat base HNDY.

Only down fall reports I have seen expressed is LVR can be a dirty propellant for a semi auto firearm. Then others love it in an AR system. Again I think it is worth a try if it were me. As always proceed w caution as your lot of powder and other circumstances may vary.

[BluntForceTrauma]

LVR in the 65G has not been explored enough. I think it has a LOT of untapped potential. Anyway, here's some data:

129 SST / 31.0 LVR / CCI450 / 20bbl / 2465 fps (Nimrod)

123 A-Max / 31.4 LVR / CCI450 / 20bbl / 2600 fps (Nimrod)

123 A-Max / 31.8 LVR / CCI41 / Hornady brass / 2.279 COL / 20bbl-264LBC / 2548 fps (Nimrod)

123 SST / 31.8 LVR / CCI41 / Hornady brass / 2.267 COL / 20bbl-264LBC / 2543 fps (Nimrod)

123 SST / 32.5 LVR / F205M / 2.275 COL / 24bbl / 2740 fps (Bwild97)

123 SST / 31.6 LVR / CCI450 / PPU brass / 2.270 COL / 20bbl BHW 1:8 / 2540 fps (6.5 Grendel)

123 SST / 31.8 LVR / CCI450 / PPU brass / 2.270 COL / 20bbl BHW 1:8 / 2555 fps (6.5 Grendel)

123 SST / 32.0 LVR / CCI450 / PPU brass / 2.270 COL / 20bbl BHW 1:8 / 2576 fps (6.5 Grendel)

120 Berger / 30.5 LVR / F205M / 22bbl / 2589 fps (Lane Pearce, ShootingTimes.com, 20140311)

120 Berger / 31.4 LVR / CCI450 / 24bbl Satern / 2630 fps

I know these are lighter weights, but should get you started.

[kmon]

Have some Leverevolution to try as well as some 2000MR but not sure when i will try them. There are some good reports with Leverevolution and the 129 and 130 bullets is why I want to try it.

Right now I am happy with 30.6gr CFE223 in Lapua brass coal 2.27 inches. That is near max in my rifle by my standards anyway. Accuracy is very good. Same load works with the 130gr berger hybrid as well.

[Mad Charlie]

Thanks, I haven't had time to try it either, I am also really interested in 2000MR as I have 10 lbs of it.

[kmon]

Found an old thread last night, will try to find it again where Bwild had a chrono test of 2000 MR with the LRAB will post link if I find it again. Velocity in that thread was about like i get from CFE223.

[rwh]

I'm using 30.4 gr lvr cci 450 with Berger 130 and getting 2560 fos from a 28 inch at barrel. OAL is 2.275. accuracy is excellent but nodes are pretty narrow.

[Six5x39]

^ that is good news . thanks for good info here . I have a good starting point load

[Mad Charlie]

Seems like it might be a little slow from my 16 and 18" bbl's, I guess I'll just have to check it out.

[Kilco]

I had a solid load of LVR under a 123 ele-m in my 16" rifle that was producing 2450 fps with no indicators of pressure.

My only issue was 10 degrees temp fluctuation and the POI and grouping would change, which led me to believe it was quite temp sensitive.

Also the dirtiest powder I've tried to date in my Grendel.

[diddlyv]

The problem with dirty powder that shoots accurately is????? 99.999999 % of us are not fighting off the Chinese hordes at the Chosin reservoir where eventually rifles and machine guns periodically needed to be cleaned to maintain functionality. For me if it shoots good 3 or 4 extra patches are no big deal. If a cleaner powder shoots better go with the cleaner

[Six5x39]

hey Kilco , thanks for that information . I know I'll eventually figure this out as I play with the LVR , But in your personal experience , how much does POI shifts ? by lot ?

[BluntForceTrauma]

6539, keep in mind that the conventional wisdom is that LVR in the 65G holds most promise in the heavier weights, 129 and 130, but quite possibly in the 123 class.

Roughly:

90-100 = H335

100-110 = XBR

110-123 = CFE

123-130 = LVR

[Kilco]

hey Kilco , thanks for that information . I know I'll eventually figure this out as I play with the LVR , But in your personal experience , how much does POI shifts ? by lot ?

No no, lot to lot seems great with LVR. Here I Maine we get 30 degree swings day to day all the time, so temp sensitivity in powders shows itself quick.

From the same box of handloads, one day in would get a 1 moa group bulls-eye at 2450 fps..
30 degrees cooler and it was a 1.5 group at 2420 fps.
Warm up 40 degrees a week later and it's a 1.5 group at 2470 fps..
Then back to 55 degrees and it's 1 moa or better at 2450 again.

Just my experience, not to say others haven't had much better luck. Not BAD by any means, just wasn't for me.

[biodsl]

Mad Charlie...you might have a read on this Berger 130gr thread. Perhaps it will help. CFE 223 just wasn't doing it for me. LVR seems to work. I have a couple of boxes of 129 ABLR's but just haven't gotten around to experimenting yet.

http://www.65grendel.com/forum/showthread.php?10371-Berger-130AR-CFE223-and-LEVERevolution&highlight=berger