ATF Bans Barnes Banded Solid Bullets

[ericv]

A family member of mine is a deputy director of one of the homeland security agencies in DC and he says the ATF is a bunch of clowns.

[LRRPF52]

Every LEO I have worked with or discussed this with says the same, except for maybe their bomb squad. I say shit em down and vet the bomb squad for work under the JCTTF.

[BjornF16]

The ATF, which has no Constitutional foundation for existence ...

+1

[sgt_murf]

A family member of mine is a deputy director of one of the homeland security agencies in DC and he says the ATF is a bunch of clowns.

OK guys they do serve a Purpose .. they are a bad example of professional LEO. That part of DOJ needs to be modified to AT alcohol and Tobacco. Let the local Authorities enforce the laws at the local level just my 2cents

[LRRPF52]

Why do we need a Federal Gubm't agency with a multi-billion dollar budget to regulate alcohol and tobacco?

[Mutt]

Alcohol and Tobacco doesn't need to be regulated. No need for any agency.

[sgt_murf]

Alcohol and Tobacco doesn't need to be regulated. No need for any agency.

well those three agents total for the agency would be about right though

[hm2 clark]

One of the guys who WAS running for president wanted to get rid of hidden taxes. I think that means that if he had gotten elected prices of Alcohol tobacco and firearms would have gone way down. And a government agecy that sells firearms to drug runners would be out of buisness....Nah, lower taxes and safer streets just isnt the American way any longer.

[Clod Stomper]

The ATF, which has no Constitutional foundation for existence and absolutely no authority to enforce any laws (especially related to infringing upon the Second Amendment which is emphatically defined in the 2nd Amendment restricting Congress from such activity), has zero business regulating or issuing rulings on anything firearms related. The only reason they continue to conduct themselves as the illegal criminal enterprise that they are is because we have been allowing them to do so without any checks.

If you look at the illegal wording in USC Sec. 921, armor piercing ammunition means any and all ammunition components to be used in a a handgun made of all the metals that are used in projectiles except lead.

There is no need to get sucked into the minutia of a legal argument of how much they are infringing on our inalienable and God-given rights as human beings, the only fact that matters is that they are doing it under the guise of incrementalism, and they need to be stopped cold in their criminal tracks. The argument they are basing these rulings on is that just a little infringement on the 2nd Amendment is ok because..."We don't want armor-piercing ammunition available to anyone, now do we?"

"A reasonable person wouldn't need armor-piercing ammunition for their handguns, so it should be regulated." That is the argument. Only problem is, a reasonable person can have whatever arms they feel necessary to defend themselves against body-armor wearing thugs, especially when those thugs are being supplied by the ATF themselves, or ARE the ATF. They need to be slashed before any defense cuts are considered.

The ATF's budget could keep one Infantry Brigade paid for at full optempo, and that Infantry brigade would actually have positive results to show year after year. The ATF has no such record, the opposite, as a matter of fact, when you look at the countless fiasco's they have initiated at the loss of much innocent life, businesses, and who knows what else, which continues to this day.

They need to go away. Nit-picking it to death is only falling into their trap, as you give them legitimacy if you accept anything they have to say or declare.

Rather than going on a rant of my own, I'll just say "Yes. I'll second what he said." Much better than I could have spoken, too.

Will

[LRRPF52]