Reloading data from the old site

[BJIvory]

dumb question: are these maximum loads?
where did this information come from?

[infidel470]

There are no dumb questions when it comes to reloading. The information was put together by someone else on the old 6.5 Grendel web site, based on different reloading trial and error experience. The powder charge would be considered maximum safe load for the particular rifle and shooting conditions at the time. I would start with at least 2 grains lower ( due to ambient temperature ) charge for a given load in 0.3 grains increments. Keep in mind, at the time of the information there was only 6.5 Grendel and 6.5 CSS chambers compared to the multitude we are seeing now.

[BJIvory]

I don't know what chamber i have.
I do know that it checks out with the go/ nogo gauges that i received form PTG.
is the difference in the chamber something i should consider for safety when building a load?

[bwaites]

I don't know what chamber i have.
I do know that it checks out with the go/ nogo gauges that i received form PTG.
is the difference in the chamber something i should consider for safety when building a load?

BJ, figuring out which chamber you have is fairly simple. Where did you get the barrel/upper?

As for load maximums, if you start 10-15% or so below maximums, you should be fine.

If the go/no go gauges are fine, it shouldn't matter much so far as safety is concerned.

[sgt_murf]

Found this data in one of my old Spreadsheets (from the Old site) some of the loads have already been posted however some have not. Maybe it will help some


Case Bullet Powder Primer OAL
Lapua Sierra 85 gr.HP BL-C(2) 30.5 gr. CCI #450 2.200"
Lapua Sierra 85 gr.HP H-335 30.0 gr. CCI #450 2.200"
Lapua Sierra 85 gr.HP H-335 30.5 gr. CCI #450 2.200"
Lapua Sierra 85 gr.HP H-335 31.0 gr. CCI #450 2.200"
Lapua Sierra 85 gr.HP VV N-530 28.0 gr. CCI #450 2.200"
AA Speer 90 gr TNT H-335 31.4 gr. CCI #450 2.200"
AA Speer 90 gr TNT H-335 31.6 gr. CCI #450 2.200"
Lapua Speer 90 gr TNT Benchmark 30.0 gr. CCI #450 2.200"
Lapua Hornady 95 gr. V-MAX TAC 30.8 gr. CCI #450 2.200"
AA Hornady 95 gr. V-MAX H-335 31.0 gr. CCI #450 2.200"
AA Hornady 95 gr. V-MAX Benchmark 30.0 gr. CCI #450 2.200"
Lapua Hornady 95 gr. V-MAX Xterminator 30.4 gr. CCI #450 2.200"
Lapua Hornady 95 gr. V-MAX Xterminator 30.6 gr. CCI #450 2.200"
AA Nosler 100 gr. Ballistic Tip TAC 30.0 gr. CCI #450 -------
AA Nosler 100 gr. Ballistic Tip TAC 30.5 gr. CCI #450 2.250"
AA Nosler 100 gr. Ballistic Tip TAC 31.0 gr. CCI #450 2.250"
AA Nosler 100 gr. Ballistic Tip H-335 29.5 gr. CCI #450 2.250"
AA Nosler 100 gr. Ballistic Tip H-335 30.0 gr. CCI #450 2.250"
AA Nosler 100 gr. Ballistic Tip H-335 30.5 gr. CCI #450 2.250"
AA Nosler 100 gr. Ballistic Tip Xterminator 29.3 gr. CCI #450 -------
Lapua Nosler 100 gr. Ballistic Tip AA 2520 31.0 gr. CCI #450 -------
AA Nosler 100 gr. Ballistic Tip Benchmark 29.1 gr. Rem #450 2.230"
Lapua Nosler 100 gr. Ballistic Tip BL-C(2) 29.7 gr. CCI #450 -------
Lapua Nosler 100 gr. Ballistic Tip BL-C(2) 30.0 gr. CCI #450 -------
Lapua Nosler 100 gr. Ballistic Tip BL-C(2) 30.5 gr. CCI #450 -------
Lapua Lapua 100 gr. Scenar AA 2460 30.2 gr. CCI #450 2.250"
Lapua Lapua 100 gr. Scenar IMR 8208 XBR 30.5 gr. CCI #450 2.260"
Lapua Lapua 100 gr. Scenar VV N-130 25.2 gr. CCI #450 2.260"
Lapua Lapua 100 gr. Scenar VV N-530 28.0 gr. CCI #450 2.255"
AA Barnes 100 gr. TTSX H-335 29.5 gr. CCI #450 ---------
AA Barnes 100 gr. TTSX H-335 30.0 gr. CCI #450 ---------
AA Barnes 100 gr. TTSX X-Term 30.7 gr. CCI #450 ---------
Lapua Sierra 107 gr. MatchKing H-335 28.0 gr. CCI #450 2.255"
AA Sierra 107 gr. MatchKing H-335 28.9 gr. CCI #450 2.265"
Lapua Sierra 107 gr. MatchKing BL-C(2) 31.0 gr. CCI #450 2.255"
Lapua Sierra 107 gr. MatchKing BL-C(2) 32.0 gr. CCI #450 2.265"
Lapua Sierra 107 gr. MatchKing VV N-133 26.1 gr. CCI #450 2.260"
AA Sierra 107 gr. MatchKing VV N-530 25.8 gr. CCI #450 2.260"
AA Sierra 107 gr. MatchKing VV N-530 26.1 gr. Rem 7.5 2.260"
Lapua Sierra 107 gr. MatchKing Benchmark 26.5 gr. Fed. 205M 2.260"
Lapua Sierra 107 gr. MatchKing Benchmark 27.0 gr. Fed. 205M 2.260"
Lapua Sierra 107 gr. MatchKing Benchmark 28.0 gr. Fed. 205M 2.260"
Lapua Sierra 107 gr. MatchKing Benchmark 28.5 gr. Fed. 205M 2.260"
Lapua Sierra 107 gr. MatchKing Benchmark 29.0 gr. Fed. 205M 2.260"
AA Sierra 107 gr. MatchKing H-322 26.0 gr. CCI #450 2.255"
Lapua Sierra 107 gr. MatchKing TAC 29.5 gr. CCI #450 2.255"
Lapua Lapua 108 gr. Scenar TAC 29.7 gr. CCI #450 2.260"
Lapua Lapua 108 gr. Scenar VV N-530 26.1 gr. CCI #450 2.260"
Lapua Lapua 108 gr. Scenar Benchmark 27.5 gr. CCI #450 2.255"
Lapua Lapua 108 gr. Scenar Benchmark 27.7 gr. CCI #450 2.260"
Lapua Lapua 108 gr. Scenar Benchmark 28.7 gr. CCI #450 2.260"
Lapua Lapua 108 gr. Scenar Benchmark 29.0 gr. CCI #450 2.260"
Lapua Lapua 108 gr. Scenar H-335 28.0 gr. CCI #450 2.255"
Lapua Lapua 108 gr. Scenar BL-C(2) 30.8 gr. CCI #450 2.255"
Lapua Lapua 108 gr. Scenar BL-C(2) 32.0 gr. CCI #450 2.255"
Lapua Lapua 108 gr. Scenar X-Term 29.5 gr. CCI #450 2.255"
Lapua Lapua 108 gr. Scenar VV N-133 27.5 gr. CCI #450 2.265"
AA Barnes 110 gr. Banded Solid TAC 29.0 gr. CCI #450 2.260"
Lapua Hornady 120 gr. A-MAX RL-15 27.4 gr. Rem 7.5 2.165"
Lapua Nosler 120 gr. Ballistic Tip BL-C(2) 31.0 gr. CCI #450 2.250"
Lapua Nosler 120 gr. Ballistic Tip BL-C(2) 31.5 gr. CCI #450 2.250"
Lapua Nosler 120 gr. Ballistic Tip BL-C(2) 31.7 gr. CCI #450 2.250"
AA Nosler 120 gr. Ballistic Tip RL-15 28.5 gr. CCI #450 2.230"
Lapua Nosler 120 gr. Ballistic Tip RL-15 29.0 gr. Rem 7.5 2.260"
Lapua Nosler 120 gr. Ballistic Tip Benchmark 24.9 gr. CCI #400 ----------
Lapua Nosler 120 gr. Ballistic Tip AA 2520 29.5 gr. CCI #450 2.230"
Lapua Nosler 120 gr. Ballistic Tip AA 2520 30.5 gr. CCI #450 2.230"
Lapua Nosler 120 gr. Ballistic Tip AA 2520 31.0 gr. Fed 205M 2.260"
Lapua Nosler 120 gr. Ballistic Tip TAC 27.5 gr. CCI #450 2.230"
Lapua Nosler 120 gr. Ballistic Tip TAC 28.0gr. CCI #450 2.230"
AA Nosler 120 gr. Ballistic Tip TAC 28.5 gr. CCI #450 2.230"
AA Nosler 120 gr. Ballistic Tip TAC 29.0 gr. CCI #450 2.230"
Lapua Nosler 120 gr. Ballistic Tip H-335 27.5 gr. CCI #450 2.230"
Lapua Nosler 120 gr. Ballistic Tip H-335 28.5 gr. CCI #450 2.230"
Lapua Nosler 120 gr. Ballistic Tip VV N-530 25.7 gr. CCI #450 2.260"
Lapua Nosler 120 gr. Ballistic Tip VV N-135 26.0 gr. CCI #450 2.260"
Lapua Nosler 120 gr. Ballistic Tip Win 748 29.0 gr. CCI #450 2.260"
Lapua Nosler 120 gr. Ballistic Tip Win 748 30.0 gr. CCI #450 2.260"
Lapua Nosler 120 gr. Ballistic Tip Win 748 30.5 gr. CCI #450 2.250"
Lapua Nosler 120 gr. Ballistic Tip Win 748 31.0 gr. CCI #450 2.260"
Lapua Nosler 120 gr. Ballistic Tip Win 748 31.5 gr. CCI #450 2.260"
Lapua Nosler 120 gr. Ballistic Tip Win 748 31.7 gr. CCI #450 2.260"
AA Nosler 120 gr. Ballistic Tip H-4895 28.0 gr. CCI #450 2.260"
Lapua Nosler 120 gr. Ballistic Tip Varget 28.2 gr. CCI #450 2.260"
Lapua Nosler 120 gr. Ballistic Tip Varget 29.0 gr. CCI #450 2.260"
Lapua Nosler 120 gr. Ballistic Tip Varget 30.5 gr. CCI #450 2.260"
Lapua Berger 120 gr. Match TAC 28.2 gr. CCI #450 ------
Lapua Berger 120 gr. Match TAC 28.8 gr. CCI #450 2.260"
Lapua Berger 120 gr. Match TAC 29.1 gr. CCI #450 2.260"
Lapua Sierra 120 gr. MatchKing H-335 27.0 gr. CCI #450 2.255"
AA Sierra 120 gr. MatchKing H-335 27.8 gr. CCI #450 2.220"
Lapua Sierra 120 gr. MatchKing H-4895 28.0 gr. CCI #450 2.220"
AA Sierra 120 gr. MatchKing H-322 26.5 gr. WSR 2.250"
Lapua Sierra 120 gr. MatchKing Win 748 30.0 gr. CCI #450 2.250"
Lapua Sierra 120 gr. MatchKing Win 748 30.5 gr. CCI #450 2.255"
AA Sierra 120 gr. MatchKing Varget 28.0 gr. CCI #450 2.220"
Lapua Sierra 120 gr. MatchKing AA 2520 28.3 gr. CCI #450 2.220"
Lapua Sierra 120 gr. MatchKing AA 2520 29.3 gr. CCI #450 2.220"
Lapua Sierra 120 gr. MatchKing AA 2520 30.0 gr. CCI #450 2.220"
Hornady Sierra 120 gr. MatchKing AA 2520 30.8 gr CCI BR4 2.220"
AA Sierra 120 gr. MatchKing BL-C(2) 31.5 gr. CCI #450 2.220"
AA Sierra 120 gr. MatchKing TAC 28.5 gr. CCI #450 2.220"
Lapua Sierra 120 gr. MatchKing VV N-530 25.7 gr. CCI #450 2.220"
Lapua Sierra 120 gr. MatchKing VV N-135 26.0 gr. CCI #450 2.220"
AA Sierra 120 gr. Pro-Hunter SP TAC 28.0 gr. CCI #450 2.235"
AA Sierra 120 gr. Pro-Hunter SP TAC 29.0 gr. CCI #450 2.235"
Lapua Barnes 120 gr. TTSX Win 748 28.0 gr. CCI #450 ---------
Lapua Barnes 120 gr. TTSX Win 748 29.0 gr. CCI #450 ---------
Lapua Barnes 120 gr. TTSX Win 748 30.0 gr. CCI #450 ---------
AA Barnes 120 gr. TTSX TAC 28.5 gr. CCI #450 2.260"
AA Barnes 120 gr. TTSX TAC 29.0 gr. CCI #450 2.260"
AA Barnes 120 gr. TTSX TAC 29.5 gr. CCI #450 2.260"
AA Barnes 120 gr. TTSX AA 2520 30.4 gr. CCI #450 ---------
AA Barnes 120 gr. TTSX BL-C(2) 31.0 gr. CCI #450 ---------
AA Barnes 120 gr. TTSX BL-C(2) 31.5 gr. CCI #450 ---------
AA Sierra 123 gr. MatchKing AA 2520 29.9 gr. CCI #450 2.200"
AA Sierra 123 gr. MatchKing AA 2520 30.3 gr. CCI #450 2.200"
AA Sierra 123 gr. MatchKing AA 2520 29.9 gr. CCI #450 2.200"
AA Sierra 123 gr. MatchKing AA 2520 30.3 gr. CCI #450 2.200"
Lapua Sierra 123 gr. MatchKing BL-C(2) 31.5 gr. CCI #450 -------
Lapua Sierra 123 gr. MatchKing BL-C(2) 31.5 gr. CCI #450 -------
Lapua Lapua 123 gr. Scenar VV N-530 25.7 gr. CCI #450 2.265"
Lapua Lapua 123 gr. Scenar BL-C(2) 31.5 gr. CCI #450 2.265"
Lapua Lapua 123 gr. Scenar VV N-140 27.2 gr. CCI #450 2.265"
Lapua Lapua 123 gr. Scenar Win 748 28.5 gr. Rem 7.5 2.265"
Lapua Lapua 123 gr. Scenar Win 748 29.0 gr. Rem 7.5 2.265"
Lapua Lapua 123 gr. Scenar Win 748 29.5 gr. Rem 7.5 2.265"
Lapua Lapua 123 gr. Scenar Win 748 30.3 gr. Rem 7.5 2.265"
Lapua Lapua 123 gr. Scenar Benchmark 26.5 gr. CCI #400 2.260"
Lapua Lapua 123 gr. Scenar Varget 28.0 gr. Rem 7.5 2.255"
Lapua Lapua 123 gr. Scenar RL-15 29.5 gr. Fed 205M 2.265"
Lapua Lapua 123 gr. Scenar H-4895 27.0 gr. CCI #450 2.255"
Lapua Lapua 123 gr. Scenar VV N-135 26.0 gr. CCI #450 2.265"
Lapua Lapua 123 gr. Scenar TAC 27.5 gr. CCI #450 2.255"
Lapua Lapua 123 gr. Scenar TAC 28.1 gr. CCI #450 2.255"
Lapua Lapua 123 gr. Scenar TAC 28.6 gr. CCI #450 2.255"
Lapua Lapua 123 gr. Scenar AA 2520 29.0 gr. CCI #450 2.260"
Lapua Lapua 123 gr. Scenar AA 2520 30.0 gr. CCI #450 2.265"
Lapua Lapua 123 gr. Scenar AA 2520 30.6 gr. CCI #450 2.265"
Lapua Hornady 129 gr. SST Win 748 30.0 gr. CCI #450 2.255"
Lapua Hornady 129 gr. SST Varget 26.5 gr. CCI #450 2.255"
Lapua Hornady 129 gr. SST AA 2520 28.5 gr. CCI #450 ------
Lapua Hornady 129 gr. SST AA 2230 23.8 gr. CCI #450 2.255"
Lapua Hornady 129 gr. SST AA 2230 24.5 gr. CCI #450 2.255"
Lapua Hornady 129 gr. SST AA 2230 25.0 gr. CCI #450 2.255"
Lapua Hornady 129 gr. SST AA 2230 25.8 gr. CCI #450 2.255"
Lapua Norma 130 gr. Target JHPBT VV N-140 26.5 gr. Rem 7.5 2.260"

[K_Labs]

Lapua Lapua 123 gr. Scenar RL-15 29.5 gr. Fed. 205M 2.265"

This is the powder I'm using but I have 123 A-Max instead of lapua is it safe to use this data for my Amax? Also can u explain what I'm looking at here. I understand the first part and the OAL but what is the Fed. 205M the brass that was used?

[Whelenon]

Brass, Bullet, Powder, Primer, OAL

[juanjo322]

I tried this load at Lapua Nosler 120 gr. Ballistic Tip Varget 28.5 gr. CCI #450 2.260" and I had several cases come out good, however I had 3 of them blow out the side by the rim, I wish I would have saved the cases. A member from another forum swears by the accuracy that comes from the Grendel, I purchased a firearm from him and was I disappointed with the results, he fixed it sent me another barrel but still wasn't impressed with the accuracy. He agreed to load some rounds for me and upon attempting to chamber a round in my AR the whole case got stuck! It quickly ruined my day at the range and had a hard time trying to remove it. I have had some moments with this caliber that I was almost at the point on giving up on it.. I bought my gages for reloading and such but I still don't feel confident in reloading this caliber. I can reload the .243 for the AR and the .308 bolt gun just perfect, but the grendel has given me some issues that I have been at the point in getting rid of it.

Trouble shooting:

I have a RCBS digital scale and dispenser, I have tested the weight on the dispensed load on my Dillon digital thingy and it is accurate, I am using CCI 450 magnum primers.


What am I doing wrong?


-Juanjo

[rasp65]

Here is some data from AA from 9/09. There are a few bullets not shown currently.

Max case length 1.526"
Min case length 1.520"

Velocity calculated from 24" barrel
Bullet Primer Powder Starting Load Maximum Load
Wt Type Mfg O.A.L. (in) Manufacturer/Type Weight (grains) Velocity (fps) Weight (grains) Velocity (fps)
90 TNT Speer 2.200 CCI450 Benchmark 30.0 2800 30.5 2880

100 Scen Lapua 2.260 CCI450 Viht N133 27.0 2640 27.5 2710
Viht N135 27.2 2600 28.3 2720
Viht N530 27.0 2633 27.5 2729
AA 2460 27.5 2614 30.2 2810
H335 N/A N/A 29.4 2786

107 MK Sierra 2.260 CCI450 TAC N/A N/A 29.5 2730
Viht N135 27.0 2536 27.3 2605
Viht N140 27.2 2443 28.6 2520
Viht N530 25.7 2554 26.3 2590
Viht N540 27.9 2488 30.0 2610
BL-(C)2 N/A N/A 32.0 2730
H335 28.0 2541 28.9 2650
AA 2460 N/A N/A 29.3 TBA

108 Scen Lapua 2.265 CCI450 Viht N135 27.0 2536 27.5 2620
Viht N140 27.2 2443 28.8 2550
Viht N530 25.7 2554 26.5 2600
Viht N540 27.9 2488 30.0 2610
BL-(C)2 N/A N/A 32.0 2730
H335 28.0 2541 29.0 2660
TAC N/A N/A 29.7 2760
AA 2460 N/A N/A 29.4 TBA

108 Sc (M) Lapua 2.265 CCI450 TAC N/A N/A 30.7 2790

110 Solid Barnes 2.250 Wolf SRM TAC 27.5 2445 29.6 2600
Viht N135 27.1 2400 27.5 2560
Viht N530 25.0 2441 26.0 2535
Win 748 30.0 2527 30.5 2585
Benchmark 25.0 2380 26.8 2510
H335 27.0 TBA 28.0 2577

120 MK Sierra 2.220 CCI450 Factory N/A N/A N/A 2660
BL-(C)2 28.5 2540 31.7 2570
AA 2520 N/A N/A 30.6 TBA
TAC 27.5 2436 28.8 2560
Viht N135 26.2 2410 26.4 2430
Viht N140 26.5 2325 28.0 2431
Viht N540 28.0 2300 28.6 2475

120 MT Berger 2.240 CCI450 TAC 28.1 2430 28.5 2515
Win 748 27.7 2402 30.0 2525
BL-(C)2 N/A N/A 30.0 2516

120 BT Nosler 2.245 CCI450 BL-(C)2 31.5 2540 31.7 2570
AA 2520 N/A N/A 30.6 TBA
TAC 27.5 2436 28.8 2560
Viht N135 26.2 2410 26.4 2430
Viht N140 26.5 2325 28.0 2431
Viht N540 28.0 2300 28.6 2475

120 FMJBT Norma 2.250 CCI450 AA 2520 30.7 2649 31.0 2670
TAC 27.5 2440 28.8 2562
BL-(C)2 31.5 2578 31.8 2602
Factory N/A N/A N/A 2700

120 TSX Barnes 2.230 Wolf SRM Win 748 27.0 2246 30.0 2503
BL-(C)2 29.7 2363 30.8 2495
Viht N135 24.8 2305 25.4 2364
Viht N540 26.4 2231 28.5 2404
Viht N140 26.4 2220 28.3 2397

123 Scen Lapua 2.265 CCI450 Viht N140 26.5 2310 27.9 2430
Viht N540 28.0 2360 28.6 2470
H4895 27.0 2423 27.7 2450
Varget 28.0 2358 28.5 2400
Win 748 30.0 2475 30.5 2590
BL-(C)2 31.5 2570 31.8 2545
AA 2520 N/A N/A 30.7 2630
Factory N/A N/A N/A 2620






123 MK Sierra 2.260 CCI450 Factory N/A N/A N/A 2650
Viht N140 26.5 2310 27.9 2430
Viht N540 28.0 2360 28.6 2470
H4895 27.0 2423 27.7 2450
Varget 28.0 2358 28.5 2400
Win 748 30.0 2475 30.5 2590
BL-(C)2 31.5 2570 31.8 2545
AA 2520 N/A N/A 30.8 2630

129 SST Hornady 2.260 CCI450 BL-(C)2 29.0 2300 31.0 2467
AA 2520 N/A N/A 29.4 TBA

130 HPBT Norma 2.265 CCI450 BL-(C)2 N/A N/A 29.0 2400
Factory N/A N/A N/A 2510

130 Scir. Swift 2.260 CCI450 BL-(C)2 29.0 2310 29.4 2398
Viht N540 27.2 2278 28.0 2410
Win 748 28.0 2300 29.0 2380
Varget 26.0 2235 27.0 2312
Big Game 28.0 2163 30.0 2350
Viht N140 26.3 2300 27.3 2310

130 VLD Berger 2.265 CCI450 BL-(C)2 N/A N/A 29.0 2370
Factory N/A N/A N/A 2492

140 Nat Lapua 2.260 CCI450 H4895 26.0 2100 26.4 2240
Varget 27.0 2175 27.8 2220

140 VLD Berger 2.351 CCI450 AA 2520 N/A N/A 29.1 TBA

144 FMJBT Lapua 2.250 CCI450 AA 2520 N/A N/A 29.0 TBA

Ensure taper crimp allows round to chamber easily - DO NOT OVER CRIMP

[LRRPF52]

90 TNT, 30 gr. Benchmark
16" 2730 fps
14.5" 2660 fps

100 Scenar, 27.5 gr. Accurate 2460
16" 2597 fps
14.5" 2540 fps

123 Scenar Factory
16" 2472 fps
14.5" 2426 fps

129 SST, 29.0 gr. BL(C)-2
16" 2302 fps
14.5" 2267 fps

These are all pressure safe loadings published by AA.

Found in AR15.com archives. Not sure what the COALs were. We used to have the reloading section broken down into hunting, target-shooting, barrel lengths, and projectile weights on the old forum. I wish we had that back really.