Whitetail kill, that is. I want to know how far down range I can expect an ethical kill. How far and what bullet/barrel were you running. Any botched shots that I shouldn't try? Does the old rule of thumb of 1000 ft.lbs. stand. I like exit wounds for better tracking. I've been looking over PA_allen's shoulder and taking notes (I want to grow up to be like him). I want to know about bullet performance when hitting hair,hide and bone... Does anybody wrap their ballistic gel in these components or analog?
Who's got the longest one?
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Originally posted by rebelsoul View PostWhitetail kill, that is. I want to know how far down range I can expect an ethical kill... How far and what bullet/barrel were you running... ...Does the old rule of thumb of 1000 ft.lbs. stand...
Expanding slightly, the longest range for attempting a shot will depend on a number of factors:- the size of game and the bullet weight,
- the maximum range the bullet will reliably expand at,
- the shooter's abiity to place a bullet in the vital zone, and
- other extenuating factors like wind, game movement, etc.
The 1000 ft-lb rule of thumb can be misleading because it says nothing about what is really needed to bring down a game animal quickly.
Lest anyone get the wrong idea that this post discourages further contributions to this thread, please don't get the wrong idea!!!
Everyone's experiences add to our understanding of the way things work. I know that the bullet recommendations in the handbook are viewed by some as being over conservative. There are also a few who view them as optimistic, especially on the larger animals.
Threads like this one help to tell us what adjustments we have to make in the future!
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Originally posted by JASmith View PostThese questions and more are answered in Volume 2 of the 6.5 Grendel Reloading Handbook (http://www.65grendel.com/forum/showt...ading-Handbook)
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Originally posted by rebelsoul View PostThanks JA. Let's start with Hornady 123sst and a 20" barrel.
That range is based on gel tests to assess the minimum opening velocity of the 123 gr SST and on straightforward ballistics calculations.
Don't forget the other factors in deciding your max 'ethical' range. It really does depend as much on the shooter as it does on the rifle and cartridge.
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Originally posted by LRRPF52 View PostIf you do a search in the hunting section using the Custom Search Engine, you will find some very recent longer distance white tail and Kodiak Island deer kills. They ranged from the mid 300's, to 498yds IIRC.
that made me ask these questions. I also have another whitetail at 80yds. and a bobcat at 100yds. with Hornady 123amax. I have plenty of both."When you have to shoot... Shoot! Don't talk." Tuco Benedicto Pacifico Juan Maria Ramirez a.k.a. "The Rat".
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Originally posted by 81police View PostTexas whitetail @ 175-180 yards with factory hornady 123gr sst. Quartering towards me, ran approx 10 yards and folded. Full bullet pass thru, large exit wound, lots of blood. I'm a believer."When you have to shoot... Shoot! Don't talk." Tuco Benedicto Pacifico Juan Maria Ramirez a.k.a. "The Rat".
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Originally posted by Kikn View PostI Shot A Doe This Year With Factory 123SST loads. The Shot Was At 238 Yards On A 110# Doe. She Was Broadside and The Shot Was A FUll paSs Through Double Lung That Broke Ribs On The Way In And The Way Out. She Fell Like A Sack Of Well You Know."When you have to shoot... Shoot! Don't talk." Tuco Benedicto Pacifico Juan Maria Ramirez a.k.a. "The Rat".
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Originally posted by rebelsoul View PostThanks for sharing. What barrel? How far would you push it? For now disregard the variables.
The shot was from a 16" barrel. I'm confident I could have shot out to 300-400 yards with my setup and still be able to put the shot where needed provided the animal remained static.
At the time I was shooting into a mild head wind
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