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The New Zealand Mosque Shooter Manifesto - LR1955 - 03-24-2019
stanc Wrote:Heresy! Blasphemy! Gun ownership is an unalienable right that was given to all people by the Creator.
Kiwis, come to your senses! Take up arms and overthrow your Godless government while you still can!
Stan:
Boy, that's a stupid thing to say.
You got a day to edit your post or delete it. Your time starts -- now.
LR55
The New Zealand Mosque Shooter Manifesto - stanc - 03-24-2019
LR1955 Wrote:Stan:Revised.
Boy, that's a stupid thing to say.
You got a day to edit your post or delete it. Your time starts -- now.
LR55
The New Zealand Mosque Shooter Manifesto - stanc - 03-24-2019
Klem Wrote:Your comment presumes the majority of NZ citizens are religious relative to those in Government. Also presumes an 'us vs. them' separation of government and people. Neither presumption holds true (obviously). That relegates your comment to an inflammatory remark designed to provoke an argument.1. The "Godless" part was not meant to be taken seriously.
2. The people are the government only in a pure democracy, which New Zealand is not.
3. My intent was most assuredly not to provoke an argument. I have neither the energy nor the time.
The New Zealand Mosque Shooter Manifesto - LR1955 - 03-24-2019
stanc Wrote:1. The "Godless" part was not meant to be taken seriously.
2. The people are the government only in a pure democracy, which New Zealand is not.
3. My intent was most assuredly not to provoke an argument. I have neither the energy nor the time.
Stan:
Roger -- got it.
Thank you.
LR55
The New Zealand Mosque Shooter Manifesto - montana - 03-25-2019
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/tasneemnashrulla/new-zealand-gun-owners-surrender-guns-christchurch-attack?fbclid=IwAR1PVfOD_xwA7cY5JzZguTduhR--WjKzjCLP97KPRWnAYN4O0B_mxeM9eXU
The New Zealand Mosque Shooter Manifesto - newb - 03-25-2019
stanc Wrote:LOL. Martian colonies will probably be far more restrictive than what you are likely to ever face on Earth. And since the colonists would have to live and work in pressurized habitats, it seems rather unlikely they'd be allowed to have guns.
Gotta crush my dreams of escape. Darn. Guess I better join in on the fun....
The amount of radiation shielding needed to protect humans from the levels of cosmic radiation on the journey would require a lot of energy to get the craft into space. Those funding the venture would be sending human guinea pigs so they'd probably nix the shielding to save $. Mars does not have a magnetosphere like Earth and the atmosphere is far less = bombarded with a lot of cosmic radiation and solar flares could be lethal.
Maybe they would send guns if they at least had half a heart, so people could humanely do themselves in, instead of suffering an agonizing death from early cancer and other mutated/ damaged DNA effects.
The New Zealand Mosque Shooter Manifesto - LR1955 - 03-25-2019
newb Wrote:Gotta crush my dreams of escape. Darn. Guess I better join in on the fun....
The amount of radiation shielding needed to protect humans from the levels of cosmic radiation on the journey would require a lot of energy to get the craft into space. Those funding the venture would be sending human guinea pigs so they'd probably nix the shielding to save $. Mars does not have a magnetosphere like Earth and the atmosphere is far less = bombarded with a lot of cosmic radiation and solar flares could be lethal.
Maybe they would send guns if they at least had half a heart, so people could humanely do themselves in, instead of suffering an agonizing death from early cancer and other mutated/ damaged DNA effects.
newb:
First, you are correct in terms of radiation.
Second, you are wrong in posting this for two reasons. First, it has nothing to do with the topic and second, it is baiting Stan and I won't put up with it.
So, get it back on topic please.
LR55
The New Zealand Mosque Shooter Manifesto - montana - 03-25-2019
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The New Zealand Mosque Shooter Manifesto - montana - 03-25-2019
Klem Wrote:Bear also in mind that NZ and Australia are less individualistic than the US (Ref: Hofstede's Cultural Dimensions).
I have never read Hofsted's Cultural Dimension study and will give it a study. What the real issue, "in my opinion" is the belief or even the religion of nations,"AKA cultures" that prescribe to the believe of Altruism.
The New Zealand Mosque Shooter Manifesto - newb - 03-25-2019
LR1955 Wrote:newb:
First, you are correct in terms of radiation.
Second, you are wrong in posting this for two reasons. First, it has nothing to do with the topic and second, it is baiting Stan and I won't put up with it.
So, get it back on topic please.
LR55
To both you and Stan,
Sorry if that came across wrong, it was joking with no baiting or ill-harassment intended at all. Hence the laugh/ smile face at the end.
The New Zealand Mosque Shooter Manifesto - LR1955 - 03-26-2019
newb Wrote:To both you and Stan,
Sorry if that came across wrong, it was joking with no baiting or ill-harassment intended at all. Hence the laugh/ smile face at the end.
newb:
Roger -- got it and thanks!
LR55
The New Zealand Mosque Shooter Manifesto - Tex Nomex - 03-30-2019
newb Wrote:His manifesto is getting hard to find online. But I did read the entire thing; with a neutral standpoint and to also look into his psychological condition.
Quite harsh in implementation, but if you read the entirety of what he says about the gun banning issue, he does have a good point about what governments are doing.
I don't think the event has any big $ people backing.
Sad to say, I do believe we will see more of these things in the future.
I have a copy of the shooter's manifesto and have read it. He thinks he's a soldier in a war for racial/cultural separatism. That's why the professed respect for all cultures and a call for separate countries for different peoples and cultures. His murderous rampage, in his mind, was a call to arms for european-based cultures to defend themselves from racial (ethnic) and cultural invasion.
Nothing new here. It's very much what the world has seen throughout time - including many regional ethnic/religious/racial conflicts today. I personally don't believe in the concept of human races, but do realize that physical attributes of the tribe affect human psychology at the individual and group levels and I recognize that 'ethnic' and cultural clashes have been a major driver of human history. No one should be surprised that a mad shooter's conclusions are, in the end, based on these.
As far as the Kiwi reaction goes, the folks I know in NZ (college-educated, south island) are more like Canadians than Americans. They want to live together in peace for the most part and are willing to sacrifice privileges to do so. One concern on my part is that they may be largely unaware that they've been subject to the same anti-gun propaganda that we've experienced so long in the states. If you look at the verbiage used by the media and gov't officials, it's full of the same terms like "common sense gun laws", "military-style weapons", etc.. That's no coincidence. The "NZ Gun Lobby" is reportedly being kept out of the conversation, but Philip Alpers' GunPolicy.org (UN funded, no less!) is in the thick of it? Hmmmm.... But, as long as citizens know that's happening and take it into account in the decision making process, NZ can decide to do whatever they want with their firearms and the rest of us should be totally cool with it. It's their country. (This differs from my initial "WTF, Kiwis?" reaction)
I haven't asked, but I wonder if there's a concern there about government overreach. An agency has exercised power to change regs on the fly and make thousands of people potential criminals (BATFE and AR pistols, anyone?) and the gov't has banned the reading or distribution of the shooter's manifesto under penalty of imprisonment. Apparently, any website that publishes a copy of the shooter's booklet gets blocked by NZ ISPs. It's not a total political crackdown, though. Mein Kampf and The Communist Manifesto are still available for viewing....