Rickc Wrote:Why anyone would even bother to shoot a 16" noodle barrel off a bench is beyond me. Getting one to consistently shoot MOA is pretty unlikely. Now even with a 20" hbar MOA is no small feat and .5 MOA consistently is exceptional.

Rickc Wrote:...I have never shot prone in my life.

Why anyone would even bother to shoot a 16" noodle barrel off a bench is beyond me. Getting one to consistently shoot MOA is pretty unlikely...

Klem Wrote:A Recon Rifle is not exactly a noodle gun, or a 'toy'. A bench is a comfortable shooting platform designed to eliminate variables. Keep the questions coming, happy to help.


55,

Sputnik is on the money. I gave enough shoulder gap to satisfy the 'Rick Technique' of not having any part of the body touching the rifle except the trigger finger, but there was no way I was going home with a cut eyebrow. The gun recoiled, hit my shoulder and bounced back into my finger, five times in quick succession. Impressive, if it wasn't for the quality barrel being chewed up.

Rickc Wrote:With a light recoiling rifle like the grendel try free recoil off the bags especially if you have a heavy barrel target rifle.

Set the rifle on the rest and use the rest and bags to get proper sight alignment not your hold on the.gun. Make sure the rear bag is directly under where your cheek contacts the stock and put no more pressure on the stock than required to get proper sight alignment. Make sure the rifle is free to slide back in recoil without hanging up on anything on the bags or rest. Make absolutely sure that you have.removed all parallax from your sight picture. Position your shoulder behind the stock to catch it in recoil but don't put any pressure on the stock.

Now with a steady sight picture and with no pressure on the rifle place the first joint of.your trigger finger on the trigger and begin to put pressure on the trigger straight back until it fires. It should suprise you when it goes off.

You should be able to just slide the rifle forward with your.shoulder back in position for the same sight.picture.

Do it properly 5 times in a row and.it.should be.the best group you have shot.

Warning !!! Don't try this with your 7 mag

LR1955 Wrote:Klem:

Ha! That's pretty squared away. Did you preface your blasting experience by hollering out "hay guys, watch this!"

I bet your mates mocked you with vigor!

Ahhh -- barrels are a dime a dozen. Shoot that one out and buy another one.

LR55

Klem Wrote:Mercilessly. Much laughter and discussion, and Rick your reputation didn't do so well either I'm afraid.

It's a tedious effort to change that type of barrel here so I think I'll give the Rick Technique a miss.

LR1955 Wrote:Guys:

Enough about the free recoil technique! Rick said a couple of times that it is not a good idea for light weight AR's that are basically military in style. Rather for quite heavy rifles using bag rider forends.

My advice to Retro given his carbine fits the description of a military carbine firing service ammo is to develop a bench position that fits him like a tight glove and maintain full control over the carbine under recoil and in return to sight picture.

Now lets see what Retro comes up with since he is the one who started the thread.

Don't worry -- I will lock it if it turns into a pissing contest but not now.

LR55

Retro Wrote:Retro won't be coming up with anything for couple of months because of shoulder replacement surgery. I have to say that I've been surprised at the direction this thread took. Most of the time I haven't seen these kinds of divisions. There are some brilliant folks on this forum that most like myself can learn from. I've tried something similar to what Rick suggested in my quest for improved shooting technique. It didn't work for my situation but i'm ok with that. During the next couple of months of physical therapy I can practice creating the perfect pocket for bench rest shooting. I seriously doubt that I'll ever elevate my shooting to 1000 yd marksmanship but I will continue to develop a decent position for repeatability in my performance. Repeatability currently is about 2 MOA and I know that my equipment is capable of doing better as I have managed a couple of SUB-MOA groups. What I'm incapable of doing at this point is doing that over and over again.

Klem Wrote:It was a surprising side show but I think we all agree that a particular technique suggested to mitigate stringing is unsuited to your gun. The lighter frames mean they jump more and the semi auto action brings with it the risk of an unauthorised discharge..

The vertical stringing as opposed to simply a larger group is specific and I remain convinced it will be something simple like not returning the gun to the same position after recoil (if you are comfortable it's not the ammunition). My experience at 1,000yds is it's all down to the wind. If your bullet is still stable at that range and you can see the splash to correct subsequent shots then it's all good fun. Good luck in the surgery.