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New Cartridge Developments and Implications for Dismounted Infantry Soldiers - stanc - 08-09-2011

LRRPF52 Wrote:Why do you have to shoot left-handed?
Lost most of the vision in my right eye.


New Cartridge Developments and Implications for Dismounted Infantry Soldiers - stanc - 08-10-2011

Variable Wrote:Hopefully one of these techniques will work, but if not, I have thought of another somewhat Rube Goldbergesque approach that probably would....
Hmm... D'ya really think Ruby Gold the burlesque stripper would have an approach that'd help? Wink (Yeah, I know. It seemed funnier when the thought first struck me.)
Quote:If you had a charging handle with some form of "eyelet" installed in the rear, you could use a release like is used on a compound bow to charge the weapon.

With the bow release attached to your chest, you would:

1.) clip onto the charging handle

2.) (while facing downrange) snag the carbine on a surface such as a shooting bench or verticle pole/surface and lean back. Your body weight would pull the charging handle rearward with little effort on you part.

3.) activate the bow release to let the charging handle fly forward.
Yikes! And me fly backward! Just kidding. Well, actually only half kidding. Did I mention that the MS has done bad things to my balance? :o
Quote:It would probably be preferrable to find something that didn't require a bow release to be attached to your chest to charge your weapon, but if all else failed...
Yeah, let's put that in the "options of last resort" file. Wink


New Cartridge Developments and Implications for Dismounted Infantry Soldiers - Variable - 08-10-2011

stanc Wrote:Hmm... D'ya really think Ruby Gold the burlesque stripper....

Did I mention that the MS has done bad things to my balance? :o

If you had spent more time with Ruby Gold, maybe your balance would be better.LOL

Substituting for the lack of time spent with Ruby might explain your loss of vision too.... Just sayin' LOL!!!! J/K!!!:pWink

Get you a good woman (after moving out of CA of course!) and she can charge your rig for you!!!Big Grin


New Cartridge Developments and Implications for Dismounted Infantry Soldiers - JASmith - 08-10-2011

Variable Wrote:...Get you a good woman (after moving out of CA of course!) and she can charge your rig for you!!!Big Grin
That's likely the best solution of all!!!!


New Cartridge Developments and Implications for Dismounted Infantry Soldiers - stanc - 08-10-2011

Variable Wrote:If you had spent more time with Ruby Gold, maybe your balance would be better.LOL

Substituting for the lack of time spent with Ruby might explain your loss of vision too.... Just sayin' LOL!!!! J/K!!!:pWink
Ha! That could be. Father Mulcahy kept telling me I'd go blind, but I didn't believe him. :p Cool


New Cartridge Developments and Implications for Dismounted Infantry Soldiers - stanc - 08-14-2011

LRRPF52 Wrote:The method he uses to charge is along the lines of more modern manual of arms techniques used on AR's nowadays, with varying approaches as to how the support hand is oriented when using the latch. With extended latches, you can palm them like he did, or use your index and thumb to grab them, but in your case, the palm might work...depending on your ability to maintain muscular tension in your wrist in combination with your upper body mechanics.
Went back to the gun shop today, hoping to see if that method would work. Unfortunately, there's just not enough grasping area on the standard T-handle, and they didn't have an AR-15 with one of the over-sized handles.

While I was there, I tried the Mini-30, again. This time I sat down and placed the rifle's butt on my thigh, with the muzzle pointing up. That approach enabled me to pull the bolt all the way back, but only a few times. Then my palm started getting sweaty, making it very difficult to hold onto. It looks like I really need a handle with a much larger area, like that on Swiss battle rifles. Their bolt handle looks like it was designed just for me! Wink
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SIG AMT. Quite possibly the most beautiful battle rifle ever made.
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Many years ago I passed up the opportunity to buy one for the then-princely sum of $800. :o


New Cartridge Developments and Implications for Dismounted Infantry Soldiers - stanc - 08-15-2011

RangerRick Wrote:Don't give up hope Stan!

Figure out a technique and practice at home. Then when you get to the range you won't get so frustrated.

With a bolt gun I can open the bolt same as an AR, by putting the butt on a hip from a table or against my chest prone.

If I can do it with one arm, you can do it with two weak arms!
Thanks, Rick -- you make me realize that I'm being a wuss! :o

But, I've decided to hold off on getting a Grendel AR, since what I want would require a custom build. Besides, the only load I'm interested in shooting is the Wolf FMJ, which won't be here until "sometime next year" (if we're lucky).

Instead, I put some $$$ down on the M1 Carbine I looked at previously. Figured that was the best option for getting back into rifle shooting.

First, it's nice and lightweight, which will help in teaching myself to shoot left-handed (necessary because of the loss of central vision in my right eye).

Second, it has minimal recoil, which will also help in learning to shoot again.

Third, it doesn't need any modifications or customizing. It's good to go as is.

And fourth, I fell in love with the M1 Carbine the day that my Dad brought his home one day in 1952, because he had guard duty on a weekend, when we were in Germany. It was also what I shot when I was in the Air Force, and was the first military-type rifle that I bought after I got out of the service. Consider it my version of "Back To The Future!" Cool


New Cartridge Developments and Implications for Dismounted Infantry Soldiers - stanc - 08-26-2011

warped Wrote:Stan, do not just buy a whole rifle, save some money and get the Templar MCWS, you can then only buy an extra bbls, bolt, mags and gas blocks for each caliber change
Randall, is that the FastRail (I think it's called) that was shown in another thread? Requires a special tool to change barrels?

I've tried three different times to access the Templar site to check on it, but each time Internet Explorer locked up. It's too much hassle to reboot the computer, so I'm not gonna try again.


New Cartridge Developments and Implications for Dismounted Infantry Soldiers - warped - 08-26-2011

Bob is still working on the site, yeah that is the rail.

The bbl nut is 2" long and case hardened steel.

The wrench is pretty much an armorers wrench on steroids.

It has three prongs which fit into three of the four slots on the nut.

It is laser cut and has slots for the buffer tube and squares for both 1/2" and 3/8" drive torque wrenches

Unlike many manufacturers the Templar Fast Rail comes WITH the wrench!

There is not a bad side to it, it comes with everything you need and the wrench is fantastically sturdy and well made.


New Cartridge Developments and Implications for Dismounted Infantry Soldiers - warped - 08-26-2011

Stan, custom does not have to cost more, in fact your could really get a great rifle for cheap.

You need to make a list of requirements and then contact someone like Bob, we can find the parts and then it is a minimal fee to assemble.

It is not like you want a rifle to compete and win in the sniper comp at USSOCOM.


New Cartridge Developments and Implications for Dismounted Infantry Soldiers - stanc - 08-26-2011

warped Wrote:Stan, custom does not have to cost more, in fact your could really get a great rifle for cheap.

You need to make a list of requirements and then contact someone like Bob, we can find the parts and then it is a minimal fee to assemble.
Thanks, Randall. I probably wouldn't even consider an AR15 if Ruger made the Mini-30 in 6.5 Grendel. But I'll definitely keep that in mind, should I opt to get an AR. Of course, that assumes you don't withdraw the offer after seeing my new Special Weapons article... :eek:

Here's the teaser:

http://www.tactical-life.com/online/special-weapons/21st-century-combat-round/

BTW, do you happen to know of any source(s) for M60 machine gun flash suppressors? The only websites I found that offered such, showed them out of stock, with no backorder (IIRC).


New Cartridge Developments and Implications for Dismounted Infantry Soldiers - warped - 08-26-2011

Well, you can write whatever you like. I am not easily offended.

the 6.8SPC is a good enough round, just not good enough to replace 5.56mm IMHO.

With a better bullet design the 5.56 will beat it to 500m consistently

Negative on the M60 FH, the only ones I know that have them are attached to the M60, it would certainly be missed.


New Cartridge Developments and Implications for Dismounted Infantry Soldiers - Variable - 08-28-2011

I started to say "friends don't let friends buy Ruger minis", but depending on what all you wrote...LOL. You might need a Ruger mini! J/K. Big Grin


New Cartridge Developments and Implications for Dismounted Infantry Soldiers - stanc - 08-28-2011

To tell the truth, I've never cared all that much for Ruger Mini's. However, I'm sorta old fashioned, with a fondness for birch wood and parkerized steel, over the black plastic and anodized aluminum of AR's.

Of course, the new Mini-30s are black plastic and stainless steel, but it's possible to put a wood stock on it and get the stainless refinished to at least look like parko'd steel. :o


New Cartridge Developments and Implications for Dismounted Infantry Soldiers - Variable - 08-28-2011

Dude, you're hopeless!!!


New Cartridge Developments and Implications for Dismounted Infantry Soldiers - stanc - 08-28-2011

Yup. And unrepentant about it, too. Wink


New Cartridge Developments and Implications for Dismounted Infantry Soldiers - stanc - 09-05-2011

warped Wrote:Bob is still working on the site, yeah that is the rail.

The bbl nut is 2" long and case hardened steel.

The wrench is pretty much an armorers wrench on steroids.

It has three prongs which fit into three of the four slots on the nut.

It is laser cut and has slots for the buffer tube and squares for both 1/2" and 3/8" drive torque wrenches

Unlike many manufacturers the Templar Fast Rail comes WITH the wrench!

There is not a bad side to it, it comes with everything you need and the wrench is fantastically sturdy and well made.
Hmm. I'm having difficulty correlating your description with what I see in the video.

[video=youtube;i_f-DsJVqcU]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i_f-DsJVqcU[/video]

Bob does use a wrench of some sort (I can't make it out, what with the low light level.) on the FastRail, but the barrel nut itself he loosens and tightens using only his hand.

Any chance of him making a better lit, higher quality video, with a close-up of the FastRail removal and installation procedure? Smile

Or maybe photos are available?


New Cartridge Developments and Implications for Dismounted Infantry Soldiers - LRRPF52 - 09-06-2011

stanc Wrote:To tell the truth, I've never cared all that much for Ruger Mini's. However, I'm sorta old fashioned, with a fondness for birch wood and parkerized steel, over the black plastic and anodized aluminum of AR's.

Of course, the new Mini-30s are black plastic and stainless steel, but it's possible to put a wood stock on it and get the stainless refinished to at least look like parko'd steel. :o

This is why I'm into the retro AR's as well...there's something about that early 1960's look that just bites you. Colt gray receivers, shiny black handguards and stock, or even the prototype rifles with wood or Bakelite furniture.

http://retroblackrifle.com/

I currently have a few retro builds evolving into working carbines. First priority is the Model 605, which I have everything for, except the barrel work done. It's at the gunsmith to be profiled, and the FSB fitted. There are some other crazy things I'm doing with it that won't be visible on the outside. I'll post when finished. In the meantime, check this out:

http://imageevent.com/willyp/firearmsalbums/uscoltarmalitem16ar15556/coltmodel605;jsessionid=ep7czaasr1.penguin_s


New Cartridge Developments and Implications for Dismounted Infantry Soldiers - stanc - 05-02-2015

Intriguing comment on the possibility of the USMC seeking a new intermediate cartridge:
Quote:We did have an ulterior motive. There was a pending requirement for a new intermediate caliber. If we could improve the consistency of the terminal effects of our current 5.56mm round and use it as a temporary solution, it would bridge the gap until we could get the requirement going for an intermediate caliber. The intermediate caliber requirement remains in the discussion phase.

http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2015/02/02/sal-fanelli-on-mk-318-m855-and/



New Cartridge Developments and Implications for Dismounted Infantry Soldiers - LRRPF52 - 05-16-2015

LSAT is going to be a game-changer I think. They've been doing a lot of operation testing with it in combat test units at Fort Benning. Look on the board in this photo:

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