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Howa Mini Action 6.5 Grendel Accuracy - Aknv - 10-29-2018
Just trying to get a general consensus on the factory barrel performance. I own a Howa chambered in 6.5 Grendel (non threaded barrel / HTI factory stock version )and have been some what disappointed with the shot group. I think have tried just about every factory load I can get my hands on and the best it does is 1.5 @ 100 yards. Does this seem normal for this rifle ?
Howa Mini Action 6.5 Grendel Accuracy - Frontier Gear - 10-29-2018
Welcome!
Generally the Howa shoots very well. How are you supporting the rifle? My groups were drastically effected by how I was supporting it, especially with the factory stock. Use sand bags under the front action screw and see how that does. Also, the Hornady ELD-M tend to shoot better in the Howa than most factory ammo. Each barrel is different, but that is what I have noticed. What is the trigger pull set at? My best groups came after adjusting it all the way down. Some guys even lighten it up from there.
EDIT: I can usually get 1" groups at 100 yards with factory 123 grain Hormady SST or ELD-M ammo. Not always, but typically.
Howa Mini Action 6.5 Grendel Accuracy - Aknv - 10-29-2018
Thanks for the quick response. I have tried shooting off a bag front and rear and off a bipod with a rear bag. It doesn’t seem to make a difference. I have shot 80 rounds of both the Hornady SST 123gr and the ELD 123gr ( Black) , tried a box of federal gold metal match with Berger 130gr and the group opened up to 2.0” @ 100 yards. Checked action screws too and retorque to 50 inch pounds. As far as the trigger goes I measure it at 3.5lbs consistently , I have not made any trigger adjustments. I’m just not sure what else I should try.
Howa Mini Action 6.5 Grendel Accuracy - Frontier Gear - 10-29-2018
Boy that is frustrating and expensive. 1.5" isn't bad, but it's not great either. Not much else to check other than the basics. Does it group better before the barrel heats up?
- Check the scope and mount
- Take the whole thing apart and make sure nothing on the stock is contacting the barrel
- Have someone else (with proven shooting skills) try shooting it
- Try working up some hand loads
- Sell it and buy one from here that is known to work. I think that Sticks (or somebody) was selling one of his that was proven.
Howa Mini Action 6.5 Grendel Accuracy - Aknv - 10-29-2018
Yeah it frustrating for sure. But I think your on to something with the stock it’s pretty flexible and does make some contact with the barrel. So I’ll look into that avenue.POI doesn’t seem to shift too much when the barrel heats up but then again I don’t get it hot, I’ll shoot a string of 3-5 rounds and let the barrel cool for about 5 mins to try to remove that part of the equation. I have emailed Legacy Sports International to see what they say about the rifle. But in the meantime I’ll break it down again and double check everything. Thanks for the help
Howa Mini Action 6.5 Grendel Accuracy - Sinclair - 10-29-2018
Hi Aknv and welcome, you need to take yourself out of the equation. A shooting rest, even a cardboard box filled with sand bags to lock the stock in place might help. Nothing and I mean nothing can touch the barrel. I feel your pain, I am old, my eyes play tricks on me, and my hands shake. The best that I can do is 1 1/4 MOA groups with a rifle others are getting sub 1/2 MOA! Perceiver, and be patient, shooting is as much mental as physical. If you go into a session frustrated and nervous you are two strikes down before you ever fire a shot. Oh, and best of luck at sorting this all out.
Howa Mini Action 6.5 Grendel Accuracy - Sticks - 10-30-2018
I have one in a LSS chassis (up for adoption) that prints .5 MOA groups with factory 123 ELD ammo and my reloads.
Girlfriend and two daughters have one each, and they get .7" groups with factory 123 ELD and American Gunner 123. Two have been fitted into Boyds AT1 stocks, and the other is in an HCR chassis.
4 Howa bolt actions here and all do sub MOA.
Howa Mini Action 6.5 Grendel Accuracy - Javman - 10-30-2018
You need to try experimenting with OAL of the ammo. I had the same issue with my RAP. It would shoot ok so I measured the jump to the lands and started there. It made a big difference. I used an inertia bullet pulled on factory ammo and used my reloading sitting die to adjust the OAL with different factory ammo and was able to hit the sweet spot with each brand of ammo. Now of course I only have tried it with Federal and Hornady factory ammo, non of the cheap Wolf ammo. Hope this helps.
Howa Mini Action 6.5 Grendel Accuracy - Msalm - 10-31-2018
A friend of mine had appreciable improvement after bedding his factory stock. Went from around 1 1/4 MOA to just over 1/2.
Howa Mini Action 6.5 Grendel Accuracy - Aknv - 10-31-2018
Javman Wrote:You need to try experimenting with OAL of the ammo. I had the same issue with my RAP. It would shoot ok so I measured the jump to the lands and started there. It made a big difference. I used an inertia bullet pulled on factory ammo and used my reloading sitting die to adjust the OAL with different factory ammo and was able to hit the sweet spot with each brand of ammo. Now of course I only have tried it with Federal and Hornady factory ammo, non of the cheap Wolf ammo. Hope this helps.
Thanks for the insight. Where you able to feed via magazine or single round into the chamber ? With the OAL .
Howa Mini Action 6.5 Grendel Accuracy - Aknv - 10-31-2018
All great information I appreciate it
Howa Mini Action 6.5 Grendel Accuracy - neon77 - 10-31-2018
123 AMax, 26,2 gr N133. No load tuning, bullet set as far out as the magazine accepts.
Original stock, shot from bipod on icy bench.
0,55 moa @ 100m
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Howa Mini Action 6.5 Grendel Accuracy - Javman - 10-31-2018
Some are able to feed from the magazine, the only one that was a tad long was the Federal Fusion 120s.
Howa Mini Action 6.5 Grendel Accuracy - Aknv - 11-01-2018
Quick update > I spoke to LSI and they are going to replace the stock under warranty , they seem to think that the wrong stock was shipped with my #6 contour barrel. This may be the reason why the barrel is making contact with the forend and adversely affecting accuracy of the rifle. fingers crossed
Howa Mini Action 6.5 Grendel Accuracy - Frontier Gear - 11-01-2018
Good to hear. I hope that you have found the problem, and am glad that LSI is being responsive.
Howa Mini Action 6.5 Grendel Accuracy - Taz575 - 11-01-2018
Mine prefers handloads to factory. I have a 5 shot group posted in the reloading section of a 123gr Hornady SST load and XBR 2808 powder that is right around .3" at 100 yds, another load is .49" at 100 yds with a different seating depth. That group is from a MDT Brownells Chassis. I modified the factory stock so the front of the stock forend can't hit the barrel w/o a lot of force and stiffened the forend as well. In the modified factory stock, handloads it likes are around .5"-.75" for 5 shots. It is a bit picky as other handloads its around 1" to 1.5". I have had several groups with 4 shots in 1 hole and the 5th shot got pulled out, too, which may be user error!
Howa Mini Action 6.5 Grendel Accuracy - Sticks - 11-02-2018
Wee call those a "Stonehendge"
Howa Mini Action 6.5 Grendel Accuracy - Aknv - 11-13-2018
A little off topic but can someone with a Howa mini 1500 with a heavy barrel (#6 contour ) and the factory HTI stock post a picture of how much clearance there is between the stock and the barrel contour. Without even torquing my action screws down the barrel is hugging the fore end. Thus the new stock made no difference in the free floating of the barrel..
Howa Mini Action 6.5 Grendel Accuracy - Taz575 - 11-13-2018
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Howa Mini Action 6.5 Grendel Accuracy - drewsbow - 11-23-2018
I am getting excellent accuracy 20" heavy in a Boyds pro varmint stock. best group with hand loads .58 for four shots and 5 shots into .83 the pic with blue tape is after cryo treatment and three shots bottom hole has two shots in it. Drew[ATTACH=CONFIG]13203[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]13204[/ATTACH][ATTACH=CONFIG]13205[/ATTACH]