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Canterbury ATF Nomination - stanc - 06-09-2019
Don't know if this is something to be concerned about: https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2019/06/ttag-contributor/canterbury-atf-nomination-this-tale-doesnt-have-a-happy-ending/
Canterbury ATF Nomination - LR1955 - 06-10-2019
stanc Wrote:Don't know if this is something to be concerned about: https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2019/06/ttag-contributor/canterbury-atf-nomination-this-tale-doesnt-have-a-happy-ending/
Stan:
Aside from the anti-Trump statements in the opinion piece, why is this important?
LR55
Canterbury ATF Nomination - stanc - 06-10-2019
LR1955 Wrote:Stan: Aside from the anti-Trump statements in the opinion piece, why is this important?I don't see any anti-Trump statements in the article, but the author is definitely anti-Canterbury.
I'm not sure if it is important, although some here might be concerned about the reported desire of Canterbury to "invigorate" the ATF and increase its size.
Canterbury ATF Nomination - LR1955 - 06-10-2019
stanc Wrote:I don't see any anti-Trump statements in the article, but the author is definitely anti-Canterbury.
I'm not sure if it is important, although some here might be concerned about the reported desire of Canterbury to "invigorate" the ATF and increase its size.
Good Morning Stan!
A bureaucracy has one purpose in life, to increase its size and power. So it comes as no surprise to me that this Canterbury guy would say he needs more staff. Takes Congress to authorize more staff. Fat chance.
The guy was the president of the FOP. Normally the President of the FOP is rabidly anti gun. I wouldn't doubt it here too, but the author failed to cite anything that proved he is rabidly anti gun.
This comes across to me as an opinion piece devised by someone who is 100 percent prejudiced against the ATF. The author needs to provide more than her emotional rantings as evidence that IF congress would authorize an increase in the ATF, those agents would be used to target gun owners or the 2A. Basically, she hates the ATF so anything she says about it is suspect.
She has failed to identify any other pro gun organization that supports her opinion. Seems to me that if this guy is so bad, she would list the other organizations that do not support his nomination.
She hasn't said when the guy would be up for a vote or who supports or doesn't support the guy. Unprofessional which further reduces the credibility of her opinion.
Finally she says we ought to tell our Senators to vote 'no' on the guy but doesn't offer up any alternative.
Is it important? Could be but she surely hasn't done a good job of convincing people.
LR55
Canterbury ATF Nomination - Wheelhorse - 06-10-2019
Hope this is correct and from the same source::confused:
https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2019/05/ttag-contributor/trumps-atf-director-nominee-on-the-record-for-protecting-2a-rights/
Canterbury ATF Nomination - NugginFutz - 06-10-2019
And in a curiously relevant tie in...
[FONT=&]ASA Supports Chuck Canterbury for ATF Director[/FONT]
https://www.ammoland.com/2019/05/asa-supports-chuck-canterbury-for-atf-director/
ETA: The comments section of that article are particularly entertaining...
Canterbury ATF Nomination - LR1955 - 06-10-2019
WH/NF:
Now we have the story. I will say it is a first for me that a FOP president is pro 2A.
These days you got to do what you two fellows did which is to check multiple sources before posting something.
I wonder why 'The Truth About Guns' ran all three of these articles? They are contradictory in the most extreme.
Anyway, if every Republican Senator votes to confirm him as the next ATF Director and every Democrat Senator votes against him, I guess that ought to be evidence enough that the guy really is pro gun.
Hopefully this will put this one to bed.
LR55
Canterbury ATF Nomination - VASCAR2 - 06-11-2019
I have been a member of the FOP a very long time and many of the FOP are very liberal and are anti 2nd amendment. I have Friend’s who have worked closely with Chuck Canterbury and have supported him in the FOP.
To get to the position of National President of The FOP means Chuck understands politics and saying what is required to get elected. My personal opinion, it is very difficult to get an honest assessment of a politicians true core beliefs. Politicians try to sell themselves as somebody everybody can support.
Chuck Canterbury and the FOP lobbyist primary mission was to pass legislation to support law enforcement officers. Most of these efforts are in workers rights in regards to pay, benefits, plus a workers bill of rights with due process for administrative matters involving law enforcement Officers.
From my experience Chuck is a hard working intelligent man who strives to achieve goals that benefit the FOP membership.
Chuck comes across as one of the guys a whole lot more than somebody like Robert Muehler or James Comey who have both spoken at the National FOP convention.
The FOP is a union first and a Fraternal organization second. The FOP is very political in it’s core structure so I understand the nature of FOP politics as I was involved in my Agencies FOP union as a trustee. I attended many State and a few national FOP conferences.
Chuck Canterbury is a problem solver type of person who wasn’t breaking both arms to pat himself on the back. Chuck knows how to follow orders and I would rather have Chuck over so many other two faced political types. Chuck has worked as a Street Cop and appears to have good common sense. I don’t see Chuck as the vindictive type of person.
The most recent FOP President’s have tried to work both sides of the isle to the benefit of the FOP membership. In the past the FOP top leadership cozied up to the Democratic party and came across just like many other large unions like Teamsters, AFLCIO, UMW and the like. Under Chuck’s leadership the FOP has moved far away from being a typical union that automatically supports Democrats.
As someone else mentioned it will be interesting to see how the Democratic Senators vote in regards to Canterbury appointment. I suspect Chuck will get Senate approval but I wouldn't be surprised if fifteen Democrat Senators voted against him.
Canterbury ATF Nomination - LR1955 - 06-11-2019
VASCAR2 Wrote:I have been a member of the FOP a very long time and many of the FOP are very liberal and are anti 2nd amendment. I have Friend’s who have worked closely with Chuck Canterbury and have supported him in the FOP.
To get to the position of National President of The FOP means Chuck understands politics and saying what is required to get elected. My personal opinion, it is very difficult to get an honest assessment of a politicians true core beliefs. Politicians try to sell themselves as somebody everybody can support.
Chuck Canterbury and the FOP lobbyist primary mission was to pass legislation to support law enforcement officers. Most of these efforts are in workers rights in regards to pay, benefits, plus a workers bill of rights with due process for administrative matters involving law enforcement Officers.
From my experience Chuck is a hard working intelligent man who strives to achieve goals that benefit the FOP membership.
Chuck comes across as one of the guys a whole lot more than somebody like Robert Muehler or James Comey who have both spoken at the National FOP convention.
The FOP is a union first and a Fraternal organization second. The FOP is very political in it’s core structure so I understand the nature of FOP politics as I was involved in my Agencies FOP union as a trustee. I attended many State and a few national FOP conferences.
Chuck Canterbury is a problem solver type of person who wasn’t breaking both arms to pat himself on the back. Chuck knows how to follow orders and I would rather have Chuck over so many other two faced political types. Chuck has worked as a Street Cop and appears to have good common sense. I don’t see Chuck as the vindictive type of person.
The most recent FOP President’s have tried to work both sides of the isle to the benefit of the FOP membership. In the past the FOP top leadership cozied up to the Democratic party and came across just like many other large unions like Teamsters, AFLCIO, UMW and the like. Under Chuck’s leadership the FOP has moved far away from being a typical union that automatically supports Democrats.
As someone else mentioned it will be interesting to see how the Democratic Senators vote in regards to Canterbury appointment. I suspect Chuck will get Senate approval but I wouldn't be surprised if fifteen Democrat Senators voted against him.
VC2:
Excellent. Thank you.
LR55