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universal seating die - mdram - 07-28-2020
thoughts?
https://www.midsouthshooterssupply.com/item/001221116715/frankford-arsenal-universal-bullet-seating-die
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Le3OfnoiGKY
im a newb, so be gentle
universal seating die - Mad Charlie - 07-29-2020
Looked like .003-.005 Total Indicator Reading to me, he was going fast and lying about his readings, hoping no one would notice, and I didn't see any "zeroing" of the micrometer adjustment.
I may be old and set in my ways, but I will stick with individual dies of high quality.
Another ingenious solution to a non-existent problem.
universal seating die - Popeye212 - 07-29-2020
Mad Charlie Wrote:Looked like .003-.005 Total Indicator Reading to me, he was going fast and lying about his readings, hoping no one would notice, and I didn't see any "zeroing" of the micrometer adjustment.
I may be old and set in my ways, but I will stick with individual dies of high quality.
Another ingenious solution to a non-existent problem.
Looks like we both saw the same thing. That runout is not acceptable to me.
universal seating die - Sea Leopard - 09-06-2020
Here is my take on the Frankford seating die ... first, I have been a reloader since the early 60's. Starting with Hornet and (Super)Bee and thanks to mostly very good industry innovation my efforts have been easier and more reliable. The Frankford seating die is the most reliable, affordable and versatile seating die to date that I use. With lands, datums (bumps) and other cartridge dimentions set the seating for my various calibers is the most precise and the easiest that I've done so ... I do recommend it, and, it replaces six of my other dies.
universal seating die - Mad Charlie - 09-06-2020
You're happy, I'm happy, but I'm not changing my dies.
universal seating die - Harpoon1 - 09-06-2020
Mad Charlie Wrote:Looked like .003-.005 Total Indicator Reading to me, he was going fast and lying about his readings, hoping no one would notice, and I didn't see any "zeroing" of the micrometer adjustment.
I may be old and set in my ways, but I will stick with individual dies of high quality.
Another ingenious solution to a non-existent problem.
Actually, he wasnt lying about anything. He clearly said plus or minus every time he took a measurement, from 1.5 to just over 2, Which would have a total range of 3 to almost 5 thousandths, and is exactly what the gauge showed.
universal seating die - Mad Charlie - 09-06-2020
Harpoon1 Wrote:Actually, he wasnt lying about anything. He clearly said plus or minus every time he took a measurement, from 1.5 to just over 2, Which would have a total range of 3 to almost 5 thousandths, and is exactly what the gauge showed.
Have it your way.
universal seating die - riuma - 09-06-2020
I've been using Vickerman dies for many, many years. This seems like an inexpensive knock-off of the Vickerman ,which is not to say it's bad, just an observation. A micrometer Vickerman for one caliber is $102, with extra sleeve and stems at about $50 each to change calibers. ~Riuma
universal seating die - Harpoon1 - 09-06-2020
Mad Charlie Wrote:Have it your way.
Its not about having it my way, those are the facts, its right there in the video.
universal seating die - Harpoon1 - 09-06-2020
riuma Wrote:I've been using Vickerman dies for many, many years. This seems like an inexpensive knock-off of the Vickerman ,which is not to say it's bad, just an observation. A micrometer Vickerman for one caliber is $102, with extra sleeve and stems at about $50 each to change calibers. ~Riuma
Well, the most appealing thing with the Franford Arsenal system is you dont need to use a shell holder extension. So, its more compatible with the Co-Ax and its universal shell holder. There are work arounds with the Co-Ax and extended shell holders, the Frankford system just makes it easier to switch back and forth.
universal seating die - Popeye212 - 09-06-2020
Mad Charlie Wrote:Looked like .003-.005 Total Indicator Reading to me, he was going fast and lying about his readings, hoping no one would notice, and I didn't see any "zeroing" of the micrometer adjustment.
I may be old and set in my ways, but I will stick with individual dies of high quality.
Another ingenious solution to a non-existent problem.
What he ^ said. Too much slop in that setup I'll stick with my Forster's
universal seating die - Harpoon1 - 09-06-2020
Popeye212 Wrote:What he ^ said. Too much slop in that setup I'll stick with my Forster's
Well, Forster would be my first pick also, if for nothing else than the finer pitch threading and .025 adjustment per thimble revolution. And to be fair, I wasnt all that impressed with .003-.005 total runout either. Having said that, my Forster dies werent all that great in my Lyman All American 8! Turns out the press was the problem. Most of the stations were out of alignment. The problem with the video is, we dont know if it was the die, the press, brass prep or any combination of all three etc.........It may be the press is causing the issue, we dont know. Theres just not enough information to make an informed decision. At least for me, other experts opinions may very!
Having said all that, to summarize whats going on here. Weve got people who have zero first hand experience with the Frankford system, have not loaded 1 bullet with it, passing judgment on it and offering their expert opinion on whether it works or not, from watching a short YouTube video. And then misrepresenting what was said and shown in the video. You cant make it up!
universal seating die - riuma - 09-06-2020
When Hornady made their run out gauge a few years back I bought one. In the instructions it said that .003" run out didn't need to be corrected. FWIW.
I don't measure run out anymore though I have built a V-Block assembly to do so. I have seen too many rounds that have noticeable wobbles when rolled across a flat surface yet shot well. At Grendel ranges it might not be worth fussing over.~Riuma
universal seating die - Mad Charlie - 09-07-2020
"I'll stick with my Forster's "
Yep, myself also.