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To Brake or Not To Brake - Paringa - 12-09-2021
Howa Mini Sporter arrives next week. Obviously will give it a crack as it is first, but just wondering what folks think about braking the 6.5G.
Im not recoil shy, but would love to introduce the nephews, nieces and my own girls down the track to hunting with this rifle.
Gunbloke here in Oz does this with an OD of 0.625 and length 2.64. Guessing Id need to knock off a little from the barrel to match the OD.
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To Brake or Not To Brake - PaulieV - 12-09-2021
My eldest (11) has just started this year and doesn't have an issue with the recoil. I put my Howa in a MDT LSS XL to aid with LOP fit and a fraction more weight though, and he prefers it in the chassis.
A brake might be good to watch impact on target, but for me the hassle of getting the barrel threaded and the extra length isn't worth it.
To Brake or Not To Brake - Paringa - 12-09-2021
Where do you sit the recoil compared to other Cals? Less than a 243 Sporter?
To Brake or Not To Brake - lazyengineer - 12-09-2021
In my experience, it helps.
To Brake or Not To Brake - Kosh65 - 12-09-2021
Paringa Wrote:Where do you sit the recoil compared to other Cals? Less than a 243 Sporter?
IMO, Recoil is much lighter than a .243, even lighter than the .22-250 of equal weight gun. The brake will really only benefit in muzzle jump. If you choose to go with a brake be sure the youngster wears hearing protection. Even for hunting.
To Brake or Not To Brake - Stinky Coyote - 12-09-2021
recoil energy calculators will show you the 6.5 Grendel is inline with a .22-250, so in between a .223 and a .243, however, I find the recoil comparable to a .243 due to the push from the heavier 123gr bullets, I only shoot hornady black ammo, I've owned a number of .243's and Grendel's now...that's my take, having said that if your build is around 8.5 lbs recoil energy from a 16" barrel will be about 6.5 ft/lbs, my kids are a little bigger and older now and it's just not a thing for them (12/14 years old), from a faster barrel (20-24") in same weight rifle you'll be more like 7 ft/lbs recoil energy, I built an 8 lb Grendel that shot that ammo at 2605 fps and recoil energy calculated to 8.2 ft/lbs for example
I have had brakes, I can't stand them, I'd go for a suppressor if legal but if not and you spent lots of time at range and wanted to watch impacts go for it, always shoot with hearing protection as muzzle blast sucks from brakes. If it's a hunting rig spin it off as long as no poi change and away you go. Really though have the kid practice with a .22lr set up similar to the Grendel, then only let them shoot Grendel when it's time for big game? They won't feel a thing with a real deer in the sights lol.
To Brake or Not To Brake - lazyengineer - 12-09-2021
If you don't like breaks much, I suggest giving the Bravo Co version a shot. Most brakes are designed to maximize the reflection as far back as they can, for max effect. The BCM Gunfighter has their baffles angled to deflect out, more than back, and the .30 cal version has a couple little vent holes to generate a skirt jet, to dampen even that. It's a lot quite and more pleasant overall experience, IMHO.
To Brake or Not To Brake - lazyengineer - 12-09-2021
*more quite
(I'd edit. But when I do on my phone. It just deletes the post entirely)
To Brake or Not To Brake - Happy2Shoot - 12-09-2021
I vote no.
Use plugs and electronic muffs with the volume cranked up so you can talk to each other.
To Brake or Not To Brake - Longbow - 12-09-2021
Cant stand MB's . Buy a suppressor and never look back! Yes it might take a year, but once you have A 30 cal can you can use it for any caliber below that also.
To Brake or Not To Brake - PaulieV - 12-09-2021
Longbow Wrote:Cant stand MB's . Buy a suppressor and never look back! Yes it might take a year, but once you have A 30 cal can you can use it for any caliber below that also.Suppressors are illegal in Oz unfortunately. Apparently only assassin's would use them
To Brake or Not To Brake - Happy2Shoot - 12-10-2021
Oz? Australia?
To Brake or Not To Brake - Stinky Coyote - 12-10-2021
PaulieV Wrote:Suppressors are illegal in Oz unfortunately. Apparently only assassin's would use them
we must have the same lawmakers lol (Canada eh)
To Brake or Not To Brake - wannabustbunnies - 12-12-2021
I am also in Oz. Mine is the heavy barrel version in a SCSA chassis so not exactly apples to apples but I find the recoil very mild. I only shoot the 90gr TNT'S though. It is a fun cartridge to shoot
To Brake or Not To Brake - raamaudio - 12-12-2021
I have been using linear compenstors on all my rifle and AR pistol builds and used one on the Howa Mini I cut down so it is just 16.1 inches long. Easier on the ears, helps with flash quite a bit, not much for recoil if any but the only gun I had an issue was the 4.2lb 65G pistol, now sold, just to low in weight.
I have used a few but like the KAW Valley the best, nice clean look, low weight. well made, well priced.
To Brake or Not To Brake - Oso Polaris - 12-12-2021
With kids the priority of risk/damage is first to hearing damage and then bruising from excessive recoil. Everyone focuses on the wrong priority... recoil. My daughter decided to start shooting as a pre-teen... that was the official green light to buy suppressors.
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I don't understand why anyone uses a brake (unless it is to comply with rules/guidelines for a particular shooting sport). Suppressor always beats out brake for recoil management and shooter's enjoyment. Risk of hearing damage for a young kid is significantly greater when using a Brake. A standard barrel is quieter than a brake...linear brake tries to replicate by directing the noise/blast downrange. Spend the money and buy a suppressor or 3!!!
To Brake or Not To Brake - Paringa - 12-12-2021
Cheers guys. I really need to shoot it first to decide. Its going to be a very light rifle, hoping around 6lb scoped and loaded. I have a permit in for a supressor (primary producer) but like others have said, Im in Australia and they are hard to obtain legally, so Im not holding my breath. If it feels less than a 243 sporter I very much doubt I will brake it. Likely to be using 100gr NBTs.
To Brake or Not To Brake - lazyengineer - 12-12-2021
The purpose of the brake isn't to reduce discomfort. It's to keep the gun on target for shot placement observation and rapid follow-up shots.
To Brake or Not To Brake - Harpoon1 - 12-12-2021
lazyengineer Wrote:The purpose of the brake isn't to reduce discomfort. It's to keep the gun on target for shot placement observation and rapid follow-up shots.
Exactly! Thats why I run a brake whenever I can, just so I can see the impact!
To Brake or Not To Brake - Longbow - 12-12-2021
So...the suppressor takes about 30% off of recoil. As for MB's,shooting 1K Matches starting in 1990 I was between two 300 Weatherby IMP. mags both with MB's.even with muffs the concussion on the the side of my skull cracked my left eardrum.Now these guys thought it was funny,because I was getting pummeled.I was shooting A 6-284,no brake.. and beat em! Had to time my shots between there shots.Well we all have good days shooting. I did have one MB built.all the holes were drilled out at a 30-35 degree angle forward.Called it "The Gentleman Brake" It was unbelievable for the guys sitting to each side of me at the Match.Got A lot of comments on it! I only used it a couple times then sold the 6-284 with the brake. Even though I have commented this style brake to these tool makers ,they ignore it,yes they are A tad more time to build.But if I had to have a brake this would be the only one to have. A 6.5 Grendel with "CAN" you can watch your hits,for A 12 year old,they would have no problem.Just start them with a 22 first to learn good shooting habits and concentration on the target. I am always amazed some parents bringing the 12 year old to the range while I am Range Master and wanting them to start with a 308...download it first...yes,but full hot loads your inviting bad shooting flinch. Hope this helps......