Sinclair Wrote:It means nothing, I was just trying to justify commenting to someone that I admire and respect, nothing more.
Roger but you must be pretty old if you have been hunting as long as Klem has been alive! So tell us, what was it like to go from cordite to smokeless?
LR1955, 'bout like going from a 32-40 to the Grendel, WOW. Yes, a pump action 32-40, a single shot bolt action .22, break open 12 ga. shotgun, and a one eyed Black and Tan hound. Between them there was meat in the stew more times than not. City folks just do not know what it is like to seat down at a meal that nature's bounty provided. Besides, a young boy roaming the woods with his Grandfather, next best thing to Heaven.
Sinclair Wrote:LR1955, 'bout like going from a 32-40 to the Grendel, WOW. Yes, a pump action 32-40, a single shot bolt action .22, break open 12 ga. shotgun, and a one eyed Black and Tan hound. Between them there was meat in the stew more times than not. City folks just do not know what it is like to seat down at a meal that nature's bounty provided. Besides, a young boy roaming the woods with his Grandfather, next best thing to Heaven.
Had a 32-40 High Wall at one time. Target rifle. Never got it to shoot. Had a Pope barrel on it that was pretty much trashed from a lack of maintenance which is probably why it didn't shoot. Got to wonder why someone who is shooting black powder didn't seem too interested in keeping the barrel clean. Looked like it was shot, marginally cleaned, then put away for months before seeing the rust and pitting, cleaning it again and then putting it away for years without checking it again. Horribly pitted barrel. Pope, too. Sold it and broke even. Never looked back. Seems that with cast bullets, the smaller the caliber, the more difficulty finding a bullet style and weight that shoots well.
Plainsman Wrote:Muzzle loaders are finicky that way. Easy to find a good bullet for .50. Squirrel rifles of .36 or smaller are a very different story.
PM:
I have a soft spot for flint locks. I have three of them and all are of very high quality. The 32-40 was a cartridge rifle. I have a few BP cartridge rifles.
Shooting a flintlock, even a very well made one with a fast lock and ignition, does require a bit more focus on the shot. Not sure if it is a good way to train for centerfire shooting but it is pretty challenging and satisfying. Where as it does not take long to get a high end load for a centerfire rifle that is well made, it takes some time and effort to find a load and loading technique that will get the best out of a flintlock. There are multiple things a guy needs to do before he brings the rifle to his shoulder if he expects it to function and perform as good as it can.
So true about flinters. I had a Williamsburg alum make me a York County longrifle (ca1755)— America's first indigenous art-form! It's a pleasure to just take it for a walk in the woods.
Except for the need for follow-thru I haven't found much spillover from flintlocks to modern centerfires. Loads havent been much of a problem, being a roundball gun. Loads were more critical for our frontier forefathers, for whom lead was as precious as gold— or more. The frontier deer slayer wanted a load that put the ball just against the far side hide and did not pass thru. No waste, of either powder or ball! Those ol' boys knew what they were doing and we could learn a lot from them if they were only here to teach us.
It took me years to hold my rifle right and learn how to breathe correctly so I could keep my shots consistent. One tip I can give you is no caffeine while shooting.I drink water. I did an extra shot of Java in a McDonald?s coofee one morning.Never do that again,my shots were everywhere but on paper.
FLshooter Wrote:It took me years to hold my rifle right and learn how to breathe correctly so I could keep my shots consistent. One tip I can give you is no caffeine while shooting.I drink water. I did an extra shot of Java in a McDonald?s coofee one morning.Never do that again,my shots were everywhere but on paper.
I learned the hard way to not do this!
My caffeine withdrawal symptoms made my tremors significantly more pronounced. My scores were not competitive that day.
In other words, let several days or a week or so pass between caffeine and serious shooting!
FLshooter Wrote:It took me years to hold my rifle right and learn how to breathe correctly so I could keep my shots consistent. One tip I can give you is no caffeine while shooting.I drink water. I did an extra shot of Java in a McDonald?s coofee one morning.Never do that again,my shots were everywhere but on paper.
That's a good comment. I once heard a shooting coach say to stay hydrated, especially leading up to a shooting session. Dehydration, even mild dehydration inhibits tear production which leads to dry eyes, itchy/blinking eyes, and vision problems. Plus all the other symptoms of dehydration; headaches, feeling tired and light-headed (although to be fair, they are typical of more severe dehydration). But tired, itchy eyes...drink some more.
I keep forgetting to do all this stuff and only remember on the forum...Hopeless.
Klem Wrote:That's a good comment. I once heard a shooting coach say to stay hydrated, especially leading up to a shooting session. Dehydration, even mild dehydration inhibits tear production which leads to dry eyes, itchy/blinking eyes, and vision problems. Plus all the other symptoms of dehydration; headaches, feeling tired and light-headed (although to be fair, they are typical of more severe dehydration). But tired, itchy eyes...drink some more.
I keep forgetting to do all this stuff and only remember on the forum...Hopeless.
Living in FL and being a contractor,I carry a med size cooler w/bottles of water in my truck almost every day and a towel.It’s nearing mid January and highs in the daytime are in the 80’s! It gets tough to shoot in the month of June and July ,the weather stays in the mid 90’s.I’m not a big guy who sweats a lot and after 30 minutes I start sweating all over my rifle and get dehydrated ,which is why,in those months I limit my range time.
I like the winter months because we have a lot of days that are in the low to mid 70s ,great shooting weather.
JASmith Wrote:I learned the hard way to not do this!
My caffeine withdrawal symptoms made my tremors significantly more pronounced. My scores were not competitive that day.
In other words, let several days or a week or so pass between caffeine and serious shooting!
Joe:
You are correct. The day of a match is not the day to decide to stop taking in coffee, or nicotine if a guy smokes or dips.
Conversely, the day of a match or athletic event of any sort is not the day a guy who doesn't drink coffee should down a couple cups of coffee for the stimulant.
Bottom line is to take in what ever a guy is used to and if he wants to quit coffee or nicotine, choose another venue to quit.
I found myself staring at the ground singing a little song to get centered before the first stage today. Noticeable difference in sight picture before and after getting rid of the jitters.
Zeneffect Wrote:I found myself staring at the ground singing a little song to get centered before the first stage today. Noticeable difference in sight picture before and after getting rid of the jitters.
ZE:
More like a distractor to get your mind off of the jitters. Centering is a condition where your body and mind are in balance and ready for you to do your thing.
A decent technique to try is by using breathing to dispel anxiety and intrusive thoughts so you can center.
A few techniques depending on how much time you have. Three or four count inhale and as you inhale you visualize collecting the distractive thought like a vacuum cleaner. Three or four count hold. Three or four count exhale visualizing you exhaling the distractive thoughts. You can hold after the exhale for a three or four count as you relax and then do it another couple of times until your mind is clear and your body relaxed. Then you are open to either input the thoughts or visions you know will bring success or with a totally clear and relaxed mind and body, get your position and take your shot or shots.
Controlled breathing seems to settle down anxiety, oxygenates your system, clears out negative thoughts, and allows you to focus on your task.
Sometimes all you need once you start your shooting is a simple in for three, hold for three, out for three while you get your focus. Takes five or six seconds. Sometimes it is one controlled in and one controlled out to bring yourself back to center when speed is needed.
Staring at the ground is also good for the eyes. Looking at something dark like a dull green note pad will relax the eyes and make your centering easier.
05-22-2022, 04:43 AM (This post was last modified: 05-22-2022, 04:50 AM by Zeneffect.)
The physiological response to singing, music, chanting, etc (essentially a timing response) is extremely well documented. When you see Olympic athletes listening to music before whatever it is they are about to do (and they ALL do it) it's not just because they like music. The body subconciously is trying to sync breathing, heartbeat, it's releasing endorphins etc. Didn't have earbuds and I knew a little Otis redding. I suppose a breathing excersise is a less embarrasing but I find a song sets your mood as well.
As far as distractions? I can only keep 1 thing in my head at a time anyways, there is no physical room for distractions in that half a walnut I got going on. I'll find myself forgetting to breathe entirely after a string because I'm just holding sight picture and analyzing the shots. Brain gets stuck in shooter ready mode. Sometimes I wonder if my parents enjoyed huffing paint...
Zeneffect Wrote:The physiological response to singing, music, chanting, etc (essentially a timing response) is extremely well documented. When you see Olympic athletes listening to music before whatever it is they are about to do (and they ALL do it) it's not just because they like music. The body subconciously is trying to sync breathing, heartbeat, it's releasing endorphins etc. Didn't have earbuds and I knew a little Otis redding. I suppose a breathing excersise is a less embarrasing but I find a song sets your mood as well.
As far as distractions? I can only keep 1 thing in my head at a time anyways, there is no physical room for distractions in that half a walnut I got going on. I'll find myself forgetting to breathe entirely after a string because I'm just holding sight picture and analyzing the shots. Brain gets stuck in shooter ready mode. Sometimes I wonder if my parents enjoyed huffing paint...
ZE:
I have seen guys listening to music via headphones at rifle matches but not too many. Am pretty sure they were doing it as a distractor or to keep their arousal level at a point where they could shoot as well as possible. Just never saw a lot doing it.
I believe it is far more common in active sports as a means for athletes to distract their attention from their perceived exertion when exercising or competing full out. Distance runners, cyclists, etc who must endure near maximum effort over a long period of time tend to try and focus on external things most of the time. Beat, rhythm etc synching with their movements etc. and music is a means for them to keep focus away from the physical pain of near max exertion.
My view of it all is that if it works, use it.
What sort of music do you listen to during your matches?
None during as I tend to go deaf when I'm behind a scope and its already hard enough to hear range officer/match director or the 10 min timer. Before, anything slower paced that I know the lyrics to which isn't much so usually some CCR.
Zeneffect Wrote:None during as I tend to go deaf when I'm behind a scope and its already hard enough to hear range officer/match director or the 10 min timer. Before, anything slower paced that I know the lyrics to which isn't much so usually some CCR.
He, he. Didn't mean whilst shooting!
CCR eh?
Well, you got taste -- for sure.
I don't use music before a shooting competition. Instead I use relaxation and centering techniques but that's me. However, if I am cycling or nordic skiing for time, I will run songs or tunes in my mind as an external distractor from the effort I am putting out. I will still go inside once in a while to check that everything is working in sync with everything else and may adjust pace based on the feedback I get but most of my attention is directed outward.
When shooting I have a complete external attentional focus -- sight picture and shot.