Is the Ammunition Shortage Real or Manufactured?

[Razorback]

This vid is even funnier. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5zNNk130V0

[Razorback]

If memory serves me I can buy gasoline it has not tripled in price, same goes for natural gas. Does not seem to be the same as the ammo fiasco, does it?
I am not going to be a member of this board because I do not believe the ammo companies claims?

[Lemonaid]

If memory serves me I can buy gasoline it has not tripled in price, same goes for natural gas. Does not seem to be the same as the ammo fiasco, does it?
I am not going to be a member of this board because I do not believe the ammo companies claims?

Razorback, you are making good points (in my opinion, with my limited pursuit of the facts). I think the claim you won't be on the forum long is that there is a pattern of people getting passionate about something and the get offended by other posters and then quit after being criticized.
Stick to your guns so to speak but don't be hurt by others disagreeing with you.
I especially like your point that after many cycles of shortages that none of the primer makers or ammo makers would have expanded capacity enough to make big profits when the cycle repeats.
Do the smaller ammo makers have contracts with the primer manufacturers? Why are nearly all of them out of stock? I bet they want to make more ammo but they can't get the primers to do it.
Wouldn't a smart company look at the past and say "Hey, next year is an election year, that means there will be shortages, better get a huge supply of components so we won't run out like the last 6 cycles. We will make lot's of money because every one else is stupid and will not be prepared like we will."

[LR1955]

We are so......, Charles Bronson died 17 years ago...

PVB.

Don't force me to edit your posts again because you can't use words that are not vulgar and profane. Really.

[LR1955]

If memory serves me I can buy gasoline it has not tripled in price, same goes for natural gas. Does not seem to be the same as the ammo fiasco, does it?
I am not going to be a member of this board because I do not believe the ammo companies claims?

Huh?

Are you going to quit or do you think you will get banned?

I have no intention of banning you because you have not done anything to warrant getting tossed out.

So where are you getting the notion you will get tossed off the forum because you don't believe the ammo companies?

LR55

[Chev2500]

A little over a year ago a ranch supply store that is part of a little over 50 stores, had their entire reloading department on sale 25% off. 2 weeks each 11/19, 12/19 & 1/20. I asked the mgr if they were getting out of reloading. He said "no we were instructed to move some inventory because our warehouses were stuffed w/reloading supplies. I bought primers @ $25/K and powder for $20-$25/LB

A lot of stuff is in short supply.
A friend of mine owns an archery shop, has 4 or 5 of the top brands. Bows that cost $700-$1700 are ALL out of stock 2-6 month wait.
Hot Tubs where my nephew works all 6+ month wait ($10K-$20K ea.)
New GM diesel trucks (3/4 & 1 ton) are 4-6 months after you put down a deposit.
New Polaris SxS 2-4 month wait after you put down a deposit
New Swarovski NL pure 12x binoculars $3100 4-6 month wait

[Double Naught Spy]

A lot of stuff is in short supply.
A friend of mine owns an archery shop, has 4 or 5 of the top brands. Bows that cost $700-$1700 are ALL out of stock 2-6 month wait.
Hot Tubs where my nephew works all 6+ month wait ($10K-$20K ea.)
New GM diesel trucks (3/4 & 1 ton) are 4-6 months after you put down a deposit.
New Polaris SxS 2-4 month wait after you put down a deposit
New Swarovski NL pure 12x binoculars $3100 4-6 month wait

These are all because the ammo manufacturers are driving up the prices.

[grayfox]

Y'all found the inconvenient truth.....
All those mfrs are in cahoots with each other (one big happy family!!) to drive up prices!!!

[StoneHendge]

I wonder if hot tub chemicals are as hard to find as powder......

[Lemonaid]

A little over a year ago a ranch supply store that is part of a little over 50 stores, had their entire reloading department on sale 25% off. 2 weeks each 11/19, 12/19 & 1/20. I asked the mgr if they were getting out of reloading. He said "no we were instructed to move some inventory because our warehouses were stuffed w/reloading supplies. I bought primers @ $25/K and powder for $20-$25/LB

A lot of stuff is in short supply.
A friend of mine owns an archery shop, has 4 or 5 of the top brands. Bows that cost $700-$1700 are ALL out of stock 2-6 month wait.
Hot Tubs where my nephew works all 6+ month wait ($10K-$20K ea.)
New GM diesel trucks (3/4 & 1 ton) are 4-6 months after you put down a deposit.
New Polaris SxS 2-4 month wait after you put down a deposit
New Swarovski NL pure 12x binoculars $3100 4-6 month wait

Wait, I though the ammo/primer shortage was due to the new 2.5 million first time gun owners. Did they also buy a hot tub, truck, bow etc. as well? It seems I'm a bit behind on my purchases.

[LR1955]

I wonder if hot tub chemicals are as hard to find as powder......

SH:

Not as hard as primers but for a while as hard as powder is today. Was and still is the chlorine based cleaners and treatments. Still may wait for several weeks for some of the chemicals.

LR55

[hill37]

Pool chems are some bad stuff. Helped build a materials elevator for their making once. 100% Inconel if I remember right. Was told any contact of the ingredients with iron would cause an explosion

[grayfox]

Winchester has 5.56, 223, 9 mm ammo showing up retail and prices dropped 10%...

[grayfox]

Here are some little-guy manufacturers that are in stock, offering ammo thru various dealers.
Winchester
Igman
Sig Sauer
Defender
Triple R
Federal
Maxtech
Outdoor limited
Precision one
Fiocchi
Hornady

Not saying all of their prices are what I would want, but some seem mild relative to today's craziness.

Guess all of the little guys haven't been squeezed out by the latest "power play" ..............

[FLshooter]

As long as Diaper face ByDone and his worthless vile disgusting VP are in office,our 2nd amendment rights will continue to be threatened. And I’m not saying the liberals will get anything accomplished, as far as laws passed or a weapons ban.All these threats on the Second make people panic,thinking they will no longer be able to own firearms to defend their lives.There are record numbers of first time gun owners.And the existing gun owners are buying up all the ammo they can. There are times you may find things in the store. But for the most part, I truly believe this will last until a republican gets in office.

[fabbrisd]

Unfortunately - the COVID disruption to Supply Chains in many industries continues to cause reduced Production.

That said - many industries have made "adjustments" - with Increased Leadtime to Retail where everyone "used to" have choices at hand ready for purchase - and not "choice" is limited - many capital goods require commitment and backorder for delivery.

Yes - particularly in Ammo - manufactured Grendel is prior stock at a Premium price - general reloading supplies are exhausted and waiting new supply.

Sure - in recreational firearms "most" makers have either adjusted - and yes some have dropped out.

You can rant at the machine all you want - in most other industries those that have adjusted have had banner 2020 - and will have banner 2021.

In the ammo business - the pipeline has been emptied - and it will take a long-long-long time to refill.

[PVBoom]

PVB.

Don't force me to edit your posts again because you can't use words that are not vulgar and profane. Really.

Sorry about that.