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Multi-Gun Training/Fun Comp September 18-20 2014
#21
montana Wrote:Is there adequate lodging, restaurants, gas stations etc. ? It helps to plan ahead.

Here, let me Google that for you. Smile Smile Smile

Price is pretty remote, but is a major stop on Hwy 6. To serve travelers, there are more services than a town of 9,000 might otherwise have. There's plenty to choose from.

It's difficult to commit without knowing the precise dates. I have a high level of interest, though.
Paul Peloquin

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#22
biodsl Wrote:Here, let me Google that for you. Smile Smile Smile

Price is pretty remote, but is a major stop on Hwy 6. To serve travelers, there are more services than a town of 9,000 might otherwise have. There's plenty to choose from.

It's difficult to commit without knowing the precise dates. I have a high level of interest, though.

That was easy, thanks a bunchSmile
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#23
I just wanted to gauge serious interest. I think it would be prudent to give at least 6 months advance notification of exact dates to allow people to make necessary arrangements. I think late summer/early fall would be the most realistic and earliest possibility looking at North Spring's schedule.

For the complete event, Training plus Competition, I'm thinking easily under $500 per head as a rough estimate before working out my detailed logistics, so you all don't panic over training costs. I have run my DM Course for 1/3 of what it should cost because I don't have to drive far to get there.

For just the competition, it should be around $90 plus the $7 range fee. You folks are going to flip when you see this facility, really.
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#24
Would love to get some people organized here in Central Texas.
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#25
LRRPF52 Wrote:I just wanted to gauge serious interest. I think it would be prudent to give at least 6 months advance notification of exact dates to allow people to make necessary arrangements. I think late summer/early fall would be the most realistic and earliest possibility looking at North Spring's schedule.

For the complete event, Training plus Competition, I'm thinking easily under $500 per head as a rough estimate before working out my detailed logistics, so you all don't panic over training costs. I have run my DM Course for 1/3 of what it should cost because I don't have to drive far to get there.

For just the competition, it should be around $90 plus the $7 range fee. You folks are going to flip when you see this facility, really.

All of that seems quite reasonable, LRRPF52. As stated above, I'm in. Just name the date early enough so I can schedule the time off. Now - what to wear (besides SPF50)? I wonder how those Booney Caps are coming along....
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#26
Ok, so looking at the North Springs Range calendar, I'm seeing the following weekends available, and I'm working with Range Management to put a tack on some of them.

July 26th
Aug 16th
Aug 30th
Sep 6th
Sep 20th
Oct 4th
Oct 11th
Oct 18th

I'm thinking Aug or September will be best. What say ye all?
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#27
My vote would be for Sept.
"Those who sacrifice liberty for security, deserve neither." Benjamin Franklin
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#28
September works for me.
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#29
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I'm not real interested in flying with or shipping multiple guns then shipping Ammo. Not to mention the small fortune that'll cost. I'd much rather drive. I figure a 24hr drive with 3 to 4 people with 6 - 8 hours shifts won't be to bad. Hit me up if you're interested.
"Those who sacrifice liberty for security, deserve neither." Benjamin Franklin
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#30
cory Wrote:[ATTACH=CONFIG]4597[/ATTACH]

I'm not real interested in flying with or shipping multiple guns then shipping Ammo. Not to mention the small fortune that'll cost. I'd much rather drive. I figure a 24hr drive with 3 to 4 people with 6 - 8 hours shifts won't be to bad. Hit me up if you're interested.

I'll share driving chores with ya..
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#31
I think it would be awesome! Let me know the for sure date I will be there. Grandpa grew up in Price..Coal miner.
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#32
Late September or early October gets my vote.
Paul Peloquin

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#33
Sept-ober-ish is good for me.
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#34
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Ok, I just got off the phone with the range management, and September 18-21st is our window. I would like to do Thursday-Saturday to give everyone Sunday for travel time, rest, etc., as I like my Sunday's as a day of rest.

Here's the tentative schedule:

Day 1

* Pistol & Carbine training in the morning
* Lunch
* Close Quarters Training in Cowboy Town Afternoon
* Dinner
* Night CCW Training in Cowboy Town!

Day 2

* Designated Marksman, intermediate carbine and rifle training (great for hunters as well)
* Lunch
* Intermediate Marksmanship training over the canyon, use of terrain, positional shooting
* Dinner
* I'm considering starting the competition with some night stages.

Day 3

* Culmination exercise/competition involving fluid movement and use of trained skills
* Lunch & awards ceremony

This is a family-friendly event and venue, and the Range has even held weddings there. We have a pavilion in the Cowboy Town with a large kitchen, overhead cover for numerous picnic tables, and we will have catering for Day 3's lunch, with the possibility of catering for at least one of the other days' lunches, since I want to be able to stay focused on training, without folks having to bug out to Price.

I'm very excited about this event after clearing my goals with the range management, who I have worked with for the past year on other courses, and this is really going to be a safe, fun-filled opportunity for us to get together, and do some quality shoot training in several disciplines.

Let's start filling the event so I can work out some of the marginal costs, and I will keep to my word about the $500 per head figure for the entire course. For those looking to schedule a family vacation along with this, Moab & Arches National Park is just 2 hours away, and they have excellent rafting trips.

The North Springs Range has Dry Camping and RV Dump available, and is a beautiful scenic Western setting with breath-taking views, very quiet, and is 6,600ft above sea level.

Any businesses interesting sponsoring the event, please contact me via PM or email:

orders@ar15buildbox.com

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#35
I already marked it on my calender,a list of recommended equipment, time of payment, etc would be appreciated . thanks for putting this together Paul.
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#36
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Tentative Equipment List
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1) Positive attitude
Be willing to learn.

2) Clothing appropriate for Utah in September (i.e.: bikini and arctic suit)

* Rugged Pants (The Crye Precision combat pants have proven to be one of the best options for this type of event.)
* Light long-sleeve shirts
* Decent socks and foot gear that your mommy will let you get dirty. Lightweight hiking boots and cushion sole socks will work very well.
* Knee pads and elbow pads help out a lot for the positional shooting, and are highly recommended.

* Rain parka for inclimate weather, light fleece for evening/night
* Head gear to protect from sun (yes, I'm still working on that)
* Gloves appropriate for shooting, with sensitive trigger finger layers, and protection from abrasion and heat. I mostly use aviator's nomex gloves, but for pistol shooting, I find that thinner shooting gloves work better for trigger control.

3) Safety gear:

* Positive attitude, willing to learn and abide by safety procedures
* Ballistic eye protection or prescription eye wear (sunglasses won't work at night, so clear lens ballistic eye wear is important). Sunglasses will be helpful for the days.
* Ear protection (electronic muffs are highly recommended)
* Head lamp or handheld flashlight with fresh batteries

4) Firearms


Pistol
* Functional handgun, preferably your primary carry pistol with a 1913 light rail, with functional sights, lubricated, and ready to digest several hundred rounds in 3 days.
* At least 4 functional magazines for your handgun, but 5-10 will make life easier.
* 600 rounds of quality, brass-cased Pistol ammunition
* Primary concealed carry holster, preferably a rigid model that allows re-holstering without interference or awkward insertion
* Pistol magazine pouches or carriers, at least one pouch that holds 2x mags
* Highly recommended to bring a weapon light that can mount on the pistol
* Back-up pistol with mags recommended

Carbine
* Well-built, functional carbine chambered in a center-fire, bottle-necked rifle caliber, detachable magazine fed, semi-auto, with serviceable sights (RDS recommended)
* 5 functional magazines, preferably 8-12
* 600rds of ammunition that has proven reliable in the carbine
* Thick lubrication recommended for carbine
* Functional sling (2-point quick-adjust sling recommended, with QD attachment sockets)
* Mounted weapon light with LED bulb, and fresh batteries
* Back-up serviceable carbine recommended
* Well built 5.56 AR15's are the most common blaster for the carbine portions of training due primarily to reliability, ergonomics, low recoil impulse, ease of configuring to the user, and accuracy.

DM Carbine, Rifle, Hunting Rifle
* Functional rifle or carbine suitable for intermediate to long distances (300-600yds+)
* This is where something like the Grendel comes into play, but you can bring a .308, or even your hunting rifle for this if you like. You will want a low-recoiling system, so a magnum will be fun for maybe 3 rounds, and then not so much anymore.
* 350rds of quality ammunition capable of 1.5 MOA or better through your rifle (This will cover the training and competition events.)
* If magazine fed, you will want at least 3 serviceable mags
* Shooting sling ( I recommend the 2-point quick-adjust sling again.)
* Quality magnified optic, with quality mounting system. I recommend a variable power scope, with a magnification range with the top end at least at 8x, but 9 or 10x is better. You can get by with a 4x, and I have had students do very well with a high quality 4x Schmidt & Bender Short Dot, but more magnification will help out as you push past 400yds.
* Tools necessary for scope rings, mounts, and other critical components on the rifle that may need adjustment or tightening.

Equipment
* Water on your person. Camelbak is recommended, but you'll want at least 2 Qts of H2O on you in the September heat, at altitude.
* Load bearing gear to hold a few magazines for your carbine and Grendel, rifle, etc.
* A dump pouch will make life much easier.
* Cleaning and maintenance kits for your firearms
* Individual First Aid Kit to deal with blood loss, minor cuts and abrasions, and prescription meds you have
* Small handheld LED light with fresh batteries
* Spare batteries for weapon light(s)

You can use the same weapon light for both the pistol and carbine, using the 1913 attachment convenience, but it will be easier to have a dedicated light for the carbine. A G2 Nitrolon with the VTAC mount is hard to beat for price. If you have a 12 o'clock rail, a pistol light can go right there for a convenient, no additional mount or pressure switch necessary configuration.

Looks like this event will be limited to 20 attendees for the training, so reserve your slot now.
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#37
LRRPF52, any chance of getting us a group rate at a cheap motel nearby?
"Those who sacrifice liberty for security, deserve neither." Benjamin Franklin
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#38
OUTSTANDING!!!

Peg my name in for a slot, if you please.
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#39
LRRPF52 Wrote:Carbine
* Well-built, functional carbine chambered in a center-fire, bottle-necked rifle caliber...
Sad Well, that lets me out. My only long gun is an M1 carbine.
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#40
If someone wants to bring an M1 Carbine and burn a few hundred rounds through it, I have no problems with that. Same goes for 9mm, but it might not be as fun for you at 100yds on steel.

Good luck finding some .30 Carbine in stock right now.
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