10-04-2011, 06:41 PM
I saw the footage of that. A .338 LM or maybe even a 7mm WSM or .300 WM would have been in order, if nothing more than an AP round of 7.62x51 at a minimum. This is the type of scenario I was referring to also when discussing the difficulty in target ID, versus a subject in the open who you've probably seen video of, have DMV photos of, photos provided by family, or surveillance photos, especially when you are able to recognize their gait and posture from video.
I've long been a proponent of stop n' rob businesses mandating dynamic firearms and violence immersion training for clerks, tellers, and on-site managers. Where I live, we have a high saturation of private firearms ownership, and murder rates are at 1960-1961 levels per capita. We just had an attempted hold-up where the perp used a fake handgun, and the elderly store owner said, "This one isn't." And chased him out of the business and down the street.
LE agencies are best advised to sample glass thickness of all the likely hostage scenario businesses in their jurisdiction, and task their in-house firearms personnel with finding solutions to the barrier penetration issues, versus relying on FBI stats and outside findings. If you want it done right, do it yourself.
I've long been a proponent of stop n' rob businesses mandating dynamic firearms and violence immersion training for clerks, tellers, and on-site managers. Where I live, we have a high saturation of private firearms ownership, and murder rates are at 1960-1961 levels per capita. We just had an attempted hold-up where the perp used a fake handgun, and the elderly store owner said, "This one isn't." And chased him out of the business and down the street.
LE agencies are best advised to sample glass thickness of all the likely hostage scenario businesses in their jurisdiction, and task their in-house firearms personnel with finding solutions to the barrier penetration issues, versus relying on FBI stats and outside findings. If you want it done right, do it yourself.