11-07-2011, 05:27 AM
Stan, we all would love to have gel pictures. But they aren't going to happen until we have production ammo.
Lets review.....
1) The case itself is in testing to determine safe pressures with available projectiles and powders.
2) The final projectile hasn't even been decided on. Multiple projectiles are being used for the case testing.
3) The final pressure and velocity for the bullet you are concerned with hasn't been decided.
4) The powder used for the projectile hasn't been determined.
5) There is no intention for this bullet/cartridge combo to be a military cartridge, its a plinking ammo cartridge, albeit one that has an obvious similarity to some previous art of military cartridges.
6) Terminal ballistics are a consideration, but only one of several which also include: Cost, availability, accuracy, and consistency. BUT above all, COST. This has to be a cheap bullet to make, or the price on steel case won't come close to target.
7) It makes no sense to publish testing on anything but the final product and production ammo. Why publish data on that projectile at velocities that may not meet the production ammunition criteria.
8) Since AA still doesn't know the safe pressure levels, it's impossible to simulate the velocity data and give real world estimates of projectile velocities.
9) Once again, the intent of this ammo is to come in at close to suplus ammo prices. That predetermines that the projectile probably won't be state of the art!
10) Once again, this isn't a military or LEO driven load, its a plinking load.
I've talked with Bill at length about the ammunition. He's assured me that eventually we will have pictures, but not until we have production ammo.
That said, there is little more than can be gained from this discussion until we have actual production ammunition, so lets all take a break, and reconvene when Wolf deigns to bring it to market!
I will promise that if no pictures are forthcoming from AA, I have several friends who have developed the ability to do gel testing, and I'll impose upon them to run some tests with this ammo and I'll publish the pictures.
Lets review.....
1) The case itself is in testing to determine safe pressures with available projectiles and powders.
2) The final projectile hasn't even been decided on. Multiple projectiles are being used for the case testing.
3) The final pressure and velocity for the bullet you are concerned with hasn't been decided.
4) The powder used for the projectile hasn't been determined.
5) There is no intention for this bullet/cartridge combo to be a military cartridge, its a plinking ammo cartridge, albeit one that has an obvious similarity to some previous art of military cartridges.
6) Terminal ballistics are a consideration, but only one of several which also include: Cost, availability, accuracy, and consistency. BUT above all, COST. This has to be a cheap bullet to make, or the price on steel case won't come close to target.
7) It makes no sense to publish testing on anything but the final product and production ammo. Why publish data on that projectile at velocities that may not meet the production ammunition criteria.
8) Since AA still doesn't know the safe pressure levels, it's impossible to simulate the velocity data and give real world estimates of projectile velocities.
9) Once again, the intent of this ammo is to come in at close to suplus ammo prices. That predetermines that the projectile probably won't be state of the art!
10) Once again, this isn't a military or LEO driven load, its a plinking load.
I've talked with Bill at length about the ammunition. He's assured me that eventually we will have pictures, but not until we have production ammo.
That said, there is little more than can be gained from this discussion until we have actual production ammunition, so lets all take a break, and reconvene when Wolf deigns to bring it to market!
I will promise that if no pictures are forthcoming from AA, I have several friends who have developed the ability to do gel testing, and I'll impose upon them to run some tests with this ammo and I'll publish the pictures.
You seek escape from pain. We seek the achievement of happiness. You exist for the sake of avoiding punishment. We exist for the sake of earning rewards. Threats will not make us function; fear is not our incentive. It is not death that we wish to avoid, but life that we wish to live. - John Galt