Our military adopting the Grendel?

[bwaites]

You are making a blatantly false statement. I have never once (let alone multiple times) said that the cartridge won't perform.

I said that there is no test data to show that 6.5 Grendel is good enough to replace 7.62 NATO for machine guns, or that it will provide a significant improvement in terminal effects or hit probability at long range when fired from 14.5" barrel carbines.

It may be that 6.5 Grendel is capable of all those things. I don't know if it is or isn't. I just think that those who are making such claims should back them up with hard data.

If one already has the necessary guns, it costs very little for most of the tests that I've proposed. Shoot, I used to do such tests, many times. If my personal situation was still as it was 15 years ago, I'd have already done the testing.

But, I no longer have the requisite rifles, and even if I had them, it wouldn't matter. I'm now blind in my shooting eye, and suffer hand tremors so severe I can't hold a rifle steady enough to hit the proverbial barn door. In addition, I've lost over 90% of my muscle strength due to MS, so lifting anything heavier than 5 lbs is extremely taxing.

Uh huh. I started urging tests almost seven years ago. At this rate I'll be dead before tests get done. Then I'll be patient...

Stan,

Why don't you outline the tests you would like to see. Be as specific as possible. Detail the tests in the order you would like to see them performed, from most desirable and necessary to least desirable and necessary.

Then place a value on each, and detail how much you can contribute financially to that specific test.

Many of us would like to see some of the same tests you would. I have the rifles to allow me to do all that testing, from a 16" to a 28", with multiple different projectiles already loaded, including even a few of the FMJ's, and I know where I can get more.

What I don't have much of is time, so being able to specifically target the tests and set them up ahead of time would be reasonable. I suspect there are a few others here who could and would be able to perform a few of the tests as well, especially if those tests relate to something they want to investigate.

Then maybe we can get it done.