12-30-2019, 05:47 PM
montana Wrote:The murderer was stopped by a citizen with a firearm Stan, security guards are citizens.True, but the premise of the thread is that "Concealed Carry Stops Mass Shooting," not that having a security guard does.
montana Wrote:From what I counted, "there were 4 more armed parishioners" ready to engage.The trouble is, they did not have gun in hand and ready to engage until after the gunman was lying dead on the floor.
montana Wrote:If no parishioners had been armed, "then this could have easily been another mass murder" played out too many times in gun free zones pushed upon us by your democrat friends you endorse.1. It was the armed guard -- not the concealed carry parishioners -- who stopped a likely mass murder.
2. AFAIK, I do not have any friends who are Democrats. And I have not ever endorsed any Democrats. :p
montana Wrote:The first victim, "you criticized for a poor draw" was looking down the barrel of a shotgun" and yet continued to engage.No, he did not engage. He was killed before he could fire a shot.
montana Wrote:He created precious time for the security guard, "who also drew his weapon very slowly" to be able to neutralize the shooter. I counted almost 4 seconds, "for the security guard to draw his hand gun" after he saw the shot gun. If the security guard had failed, there were others ready to engage. Yet you claim this event fails to support the idea that citizens are their own best defence????Yes. If there had been no security guard present, the gunman could easily have emptied his SBS into the congregation by the time that any of the CCW parishioners were ready to engage him.
What the incident does support is the employment of armed security guards at such gatherings.
montana Wrote:Stan, having a detailed body guard 24/7, "like anti gun Bloomberg allows only for himself" would be the best defence.You just contradicted yourself.
montana Wrote:Better yet, "having the secret service protect us like anti gun Hillary Clinton has" would be the best defence. Unfortunately in the real world, "with out unicorns and care bears for us common folk" the best defence is having the right to arm our selves.I'm wholeheartedly in favor of being able to be armed, but as this incident shows, just having a gun is not enough.