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MSR Pistol Designation In Doubt?
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Double Naught Spy Wrote:Regardless of what you think of the government, it would appear that Q went into production assuming their proprietary brace would not be seen as a thinly disguised shoulder stock and didn't bother running it by that ATF first (paraphrasing a friend of mine). Business-wise, that was a poor move. They essentially gambled that it would all be good and lost and lost for their customers who purchased them.

The pistol brace Q uses is a licensed SB Tactical brace. SB Tactical has been dealing with the ATF for the past decade on establishing a standard, which the ATF refuses to nail down.

SB Tactical has retained the legal services of the former Director of the ATF over the years working towards this goal.

If you recall, there were rumors earlier this year that the ATF was going to reverse their opinion on the use of pistol braces again, so members of Congress were contacted, who then went to Secretary of the Treasury to get some leadership to reign-in the rogue elements within the ATF who are actively seeking to hurt the industry and American citizens.

Once Treasury stepped in and ordered the ATF to cease its pattern of reversals and gotcha games, many of the rogue activists in the different regions didn’t like that.

The one in Boston who issued this bogus cease and desist letter to Q waited until we’re within a month of the election to add more chaos to the political season.

It has nothing to do with Q tempting the ATF, since SB Tactical has been trying to get an industry standard out of ATF for at least 8 years now. Here are the ATF letters dating back to 2012.

ATF policy has always been to never make things clear, then charge people with crimes or revoke FFLs and SOTs based on the Stalinist tactic of, “Show me the man, and I’ll show you the crime.”

Their modus operandi has always been very evasive on establishing clear guidelines and metrics, whether it be fire control, receiver markings, barrel length measurements, accessories, FFL paperwork organization (alphabetical vs chronological), dates, inspections, etc. All of their conduct in each of these areas of extrajudicial regulatory intrusion have been arbitrary, litigated within ATF-controlled courts, with almost a 100% conviction rate when criminal charges are filed and prosecuted against people for technicalities that don’t involve any actual crime.

Meanwhile, regional ATF Assistant SAICs have personally lied on 4473s listing their office as their address when straw-purchasing handguns that later showed up at the murder scene of a Mexican beauty queen as part of the Fast & Furious Gun Runner scandal, in addition to the thousands of firearms that were purposely allowed to walk via an ATF-assisted cartel straw-purchaser network.

It’s the same old story. Bureau of Revenue agents caught cheating on their taxes? Let's re-brand it as the IRS and “clean it up”.

Elliott Ness (the Prohibition Enforcement Officer of the 1920s and 1930s who was an alcoholic drunk driver/caused a car accident while intoxicated) makes a name for himself helping to put away Al Capone? Let’s have more like him please! Expand that agency even though Prohibition has been repealed.

Senior regional ATF Agents personally engage in straw-purchasing for murderous drug cartels? Give those men a raise!

But the common citizen looking for practical ways to exercise their 2nd Amendment rights are the bad guys, clinging to what little is left of the 2A. We should penalize them, bully the smaller businesses who can’t afford to fight ATF letters in ATF court, and wage war on what barely remains of the American firearms industry and ownership base. It only makes sense.
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MSR Pistol Designation In Doubt? - by MSRAddict - 10-07-2020, 03:52 PM
MSR Pistol Designation In Doubt? - by keystone183 - 10-07-2020, 04:08 PM
MSR Pistol Designation In Doubt? - by LRRPF52 - 10-07-2020, 06:49 PM
MSR Pistol Designation In Doubt? - by Wethepeople - 10-07-2020, 08:44 PM
MSR Pistol Designation In Doubt? - by Wethepeople - 10-07-2020, 10:38 PM
MSR Pistol Designation In Doubt? - by Wethepeople - 10-08-2020, 03:45 AM
MSR Pistol Designation In Doubt? - by Lastrites - 10-08-2020, 10:11 AM
MSR Pistol Designation In Doubt? - by LRRPF52 - 10-08-2020, 03:18 PM
MSR Pistol Designation In Doubt? - by LRRPF52 - 10-08-2020, 03:26 PM
MSR Pistol Designation In Doubt? - by LRRPF52 - 10-08-2020, 03:34 PM
MSR Pistol Designation In Doubt? - by LRRPF52 - 10-08-2020, 03:35 PM
MSR Pistol Designation In Doubt? - by StoneHendge - 10-08-2020, 03:47 PM
MSR Pistol Designation In Doubt? - by keystone183 - 10-08-2020, 04:25 PM
MSR Pistol Designation In Doubt? - by StoneHendge - 10-08-2020, 04:37 PM
MSR Pistol Designation In Doubt? - by keystone183 - 10-08-2020, 04:54 PM
MSR Pistol Designation In Doubt? - by StoneHendge - 10-08-2020, 05:28 PM
MSR Pistol Designation In Doubt? - by Wethepeople - 10-08-2020, 07:25 PM
MSR Pistol Designation In Doubt? - by LRRPF52 - 10-08-2020, 07:25 PM
MSR Pistol Designation In Doubt? - by Wethepeople - 10-08-2020, 07:50 PM
MSR Pistol Designation In Doubt? - by grayfox - 10-08-2020, 08:16 PM
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MSR Pistol Designation In Doubt? - by LRRPF52 - 10-08-2020, 08:24 PM
MSR Pistol Designation In Doubt? - by StoneHendge - 10-08-2020, 08:33 PM
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MSR Pistol Designation In Doubt? - by montana - 10-27-2020, 03:43 PM
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MSR Pistol Designation In Doubt? - by LRRPF52 - 10-28-2020, 02:55 PM
MSR Pistol Designation In Doubt? - by montana - 10-28-2020, 05:01 PM
MSR Pistol Designation In Doubt? - by grayfox - 10-28-2020, 08:49 PM
MSR Pistol Designation In Doubt? - by AZHTfreak - 11-18-2020, 02:37 PM
MSR Pistol Designation In Doubt? - by Mopardoctor - 11-22-2020, 09:12 PM
MSR Pistol Designation In Doubt? - by StoneHendge - 11-23-2020, 03:36 AM
MSR Pistol Designation In Doubt? - by biodsl - 11-23-2020, 04:00 AM
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MSR Pistol Designation In Doubt? - by Oso Polaris - 12-17-2020, 06:09 PM
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MSR Pistol Designation In Doubt? - by Fess - 12-18-2020, 06:10 AM
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