10-13-2021, 11:53 PM
Stinky Coyote Wrote:cz is the winner over the Howa by long margin for me also, have owned both, we care about predator hunting as much as big game hunting so we love the Grendel and we have migrated to the Ruger ranch, it beats them both for a variety of reasons for me and I was a long time cz fan, the Howa's I'll never own another
the cz's wear in, never out, they benefit from bedding, action smoothing, and a little loctite on one of the trigger screws (the one for creep) so it doesn't back out and allow the creep back, mine I was able to get to 2 3/4 lb pull and maybe 98% creep free, so they start out more money and then more money and time in smithing to get em really dialled in, mine was more like solid moa average with Hornady black on factory barrel even bedded but a different story when I put 24" proof carbon on it...eitherway you can put a Ruger ranch together in your underwear in the kitchen and it needs nothing extra and you get 10 round mags...mine averages 3/4 moa same ammo out to 500 yards for 3 shot groups, Hornady black factory ammo, impressed enough to have got two more ranches for builds for my boys, we've gone mdt chassis route on all three, but it wasn't for lack of trying with the other two platforms...cz's can be sweet with dollars and some effort, the Howa likely could too but you need even more dollars as you need new stock, new bottom metal that replaces their horsesh@t magazine system, new trigger to ditch that awful two stage with crappy blade feel and the crappy safety lever...just the raw heavy metal of the Howa is any good, action(without trigger), barrel, bolt...so if you like projects get the Howa or cz...if you want the working mans winner...get the Ruger
I have written elsewhere: My newest CZ 527 American 7,62x39 came from the factory with Glass bedding, a steel bedding block and was pillar bedded. Unlike my 4 year old Grendel that required pillar bedding, this rifle required nothing and produces half MOA from the start with my handloads.
I have the Ruger Grendel and it is a shooter, but nothing like my Grendel American or Varmint.~Riuma