Tony Williams
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This one looks interesting: http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2011/...5mm-rifle/
Note this bit:
Quote:The AK-12 will be made available chambered in 5.45mm, 5.56mm NATO, 7.62x39mm and a new not yet named caliber. It is possible that this new caliber is the 6.5mm Grendel. Wolf Ammunition recently said they were in talks with Izhmash to produce Saiga rifles chambered in 6.5mm.
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Hmmmm.... A sbr of this type in grendel is intriguing.
Grendel's going mainstream.
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11-29-2011, 07:11 PM
(This post was last modified: 11-29-2011, 08:24 PM by stanc.)
AK-12 in 6.5 Grendel is something I'd definitely like to see.
Especially with a 50-round, 4-column magazine... 
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stanc Wrote:ak-12 in 6.5 grendel is something i'd definitely like to see.
Especially with a 50-round, 4-column magazine...
do want!!!:p:p That would be a dream helo-hoggin' rig.
You mean like this:
[video=youtube;GJM8asnj6JY]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJM8asnj6JY[/video]
How well does the Grendel feed from an AK magazine?
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Apparently feeds okay, judging by Krebs custom AK.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhAcUNjBrNE
However, due to the 7.62x39 mag curvature, it will hold fewer rounds of 6.5 Grendel.
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Hee Hee!  They shoulda called Magpul. At least that way it would have looked cooler.LOL
Maybe they have something different hid under the hood?
any of you grendel owners shoot saiga's? what do you think of them?
and for the newbie, what is an ak-12? Alex kalashnikov model 2012 instead of 1947? how are they different?
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An AK with the Grendel round, balanced recoil system and 60 round mag, I think Ive gone to heaven. The balanced recoil system performed 70 percent better in effectiveness over the AK-74 in the !986 Abakan Russian military test. It came in second place behind the Blow Back-Shifted Pulse(also known as accumulated blow-back or Lafette type or the AN-94) This could all be a pipe dream but it will be an interesting development to watch. Thanks for the info.
montana Wrote:An AK with the Grendel round, balanced recoil system and 60 round mag, I think Ive gone to heaven. The balanced recoil system performed 70 percent better in effectiveness over the AK-74 in the !986 Abakan Russian military test. It came in second place behind the Blow Back-Shifted Pulse(also known as accumulated blow-back or Lafette type or the AN-94) This could all be a pipe dream but it will be an interesting development to watch. Thanks for the info.
The AK107 using the counter-reciprocating rod is meant to keep recoil and muzzle climb minimized. It uses a cog wheel gear on top of a modified op-rod to push the counter-weight rod forward. In a sanitary environment, it might be cool, but I wonder about the reliability in field conditions, especially with the openness of the AK receiver and gas tube design. I believe the best way to do balanced recoil is found on the Ultimax 100.
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The ULTIMAX 100 was definitely a missed opportunity by the US armed forces. A moving cog wheel and sand doesn't sound like a good mix to me. Trial by fire would only tell. I can only go by what I have read in text's and that means nothing. But if it performs as I have read it wood be a game changer' especially in competition. I'm sure the Russians wouldn't adopt an unreliable assault rifle , but if it was for export only I wouldn't bet on it until it was proven. (meaning I'll let some one else gamble their money first).
To be honest, I don't know why they even did this since the muzzle break on the AK74 already keeps the gun under control, although the muzzle blast and flash signature is unacceptable from a Western standard. Maybe they were hoping to eliminate the muzzle break, but there it is. Large muzzle flash = easy target acquisition for me.
The Ultimax and other US designs were an intentionally missed opportunity, since Belgium pinned their willingness to participate in the NATO licensed production of the F-16 on the FN Minimi. If at least 3 countries weren't on the bandwagon, it wouldn't have been financially viable for Norway and Holland, so they really needed Belgium. Belgium had us by the balls, basically, and we cowered. As a result, US soldiers suffer with POS known as the SAW to this day.
It will be interesting to see if the Russians start looking at the Grendel, because some of the Eastern European countries are looking at alternate calibers now...the Czechs, for example, in their quick-barrel change Bren 805 assault rifle (their improvement of the SCAR).
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I never new about the connection between the F-16 and FN Minimi, interesting. Thanks for the info. Like I said before it could all be a market scheme to sell rifles etc, but there's the little kid in me hoping it's true.
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A link to a recent article on the AK12 with photos. http://lewrockwell.com/rep3/kalashnikov-5.html
CEO Maksim Kuzyuk is gone. This was not a military project, but rather just a project by one engineer along the lines of the
AK-200 series. The AK-200 series was just smoke and mirrors with only one firing sample produced. This will likely be the same.
The company has no orders from the Russian Army, they are just trying to stimulate interest, I wouldn't get too excited.
On the other hand Molot is producing a Vepr in 6.5mm Grendel right now.......
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