Trump,the second Amendment ,panic buying and shortages

[FLshooter]

I think a lot of the gun and ammo manufacturers are hypocrites. They all say they support whoever the NRA supports but secretly support the opposition. Do you think they want the shelves to be full of all of the things we desire? Hell no! They love it when the shelves are empty and we're all begging for more at whatever price. Think about your situation. 1000 rounds? 1000 rounds per gun? Geez, my house is only 860 sq. ft. I have to say that if I am in a 1000 round fire fight, I'm probably not the winner.

my house is approximately double the square footage of yours. And it’s on a 1 acre piece of land without much cover for attackers. Still, I think it’s undefendable. Block house with wooden trusses.If the poop really hit the fan, I pack the trucks with camping supplies, food ammo and several guns. With the wife and pets,I would head out to the woods until it’s all over. Probably the safest place to be.
Unless you live in a city like Los Angeles or New York, I doubt anyone’s gonna attack your home.But then again, look at what happened to the McClouskey’s, in a gated community in St. Louis Missouri. Things are unpredictable right now.

[St_Vic]

Read this the other day, think about what has happened the last few weeks.....

The Japanese have a word, "Ran". Sometimes it is translated as "war", but that really doesn't express the nuances. "Senso" is the word most often used for war. "Ran" is something much worse.
Many may be aware of the Kurusawa movie by that name. Based on King Lear by Shakespeare, the story deals with conflict, but in a completely crazy way.
When two sides take positions and shoot at each other, it is likely to be called "Senso." When things are crazier, "Ran" is most often used.
The war that broke the back of the second shogunate in Japan was called the Onin War, but the Japanese term is "Onin no Ran." It lasted for ten years, with shifting alliances and Kyoto nearly burned to the ground. People went back and forth with who they supported, based on the immediate benefit to them. A war that supposably was started over who would be the next shogun instead was a free for all, with people using what side they supported that week to justify killing someone they had been itching to do away with for a long time.
When Oda Nobunaga sent his forces into Iga to slaughter everyone they could catch, they called it "Tensho (after the name of the time it was in) Iga no Ran." That is the type of thing Ran is. It isn't war, it is chaos and slaughter on a huge scale.
That is what we are looking at. We are not looking at a civil war. We are looking at an American version of Ran. Some people are looking forward to a civil war, thinking that they will have the advantage and be able to do away with the other side once and for all.
Historically, it doesn't work that way. We won't have people lining up and taking a stand so that only those that are guilty of wanting a war and wanting to fight in it will end up dead. There will be no battle lines. People will have their homes burned down with them in it at 2 in the morning because of some political comment they made on Facebook. How are all your guns going to save you when you wake up to your kids screaming in terror at your home being engulfed in flames?
It will be a war of shadows and terror. You will never know who is coming for you or when. You may be a target, or you may be ignored. You will not have anyone to strike back at that are doing the shooting, because those types will be keen to cover their tracks. Only those naive enough to voice opinions but not even consider doing harm will be visible to those doing the killing. Or it might be something you would never think would put you in danger, like your religion or skin color. You can never tell what might cause someone to come after you. If you aren't one of the idiots sowing terror, you probably won't even consider that someone would want you dead, until they strike.
And I honestly don't think we can stop it. Oh, we certainly should try. If I am wrong and we can turn this thing around, then we have to do all we can before we turn into another Lebanon, former Yugoslavia or Somalia. It can happen here, and I fear it will.
I got very good at watching and taking advantage of trends. They do turn around, but most often it is like a huge ocean liner. It takes time and the faster you are going, the harder it is to change course. By the time you see the iceberg, it is too late except to get to the lifeboats. We don't have any lifeboats in this case.
The way into war won't be straight down. People like to share graphs that success isn't a straight line up, but tends to go up with small turns down before heading up again. That is the way things like a stock price move as well, small dips in a trend up or down. But unless there is a huge reason to stop the trend, it will generally keep going in that direction.
So we will get a respite in the near future, but it will only be temporary. Don't let yourself be lulled into complacency by hoping that people have finally come to their senses. If you look back five, ten or 25 years, you can see the larger trend and not be fooled by the small dips and rises.
We may get to a point where things get so bad that people finally all agree that we have to stop the madness, but we aren't anywhere near that point now. That is likely to be years down the road, with the society as we know it torn to pieces.
It is time to start thinking about how to survive the Crazy Years. We don't want it to happen, and we won't contribute to the killing, but we have to acknowledge that we are likely to be put in extreme danger in some way in the near future. How can we stay safe? Things are changing so fast that even if I had an answer it would be out of date by the end of the year. So we need to keep in our minds the idea of how we can prevent our fellow Americans from killing our families.
We have reached the state of Ran in America.

Great post

[stanc]

If the Liberals make it in November you can expect panic buying to continue.Biden and the liberals have already sworn to try and ban A.R. 15’s within the first hundred days of office. Will they succeed? Well, I don’t want to find out.

You have nothing to fear. Trump supporters on another forum assured me that he is going to win bigly in November, and the Republicans will retake the House in addition to keeping the Senate.

And always remember “if you want peace ,prepare for war“

A catchy motto, but -- with the exception of nuclear warfare -- I doubt that its advice has ever worked. In the 1930s, the United States, Germany, France, and other countries prepared for war, and the result was not peace. The result was the biggest war in recorded history.

Unless you live in a city like Los Angeles or New York, I doubt anyone’s gonna attack your home.But then again, look at what happened to the McClouskey’s, in a gated community in St. Louis Missouri.

??? Nobody attacked the McCloskeys or their home.

[stanc]

One data point, maybe... in a war zone don't our soldiers carry 7x30 rounds on them (talking 556)?

The basic load is 7x30 rounds in magazines, but some soldiers have carried 10x30 rounds in magazines.

And it is not uncommon to also carry some extra ammo in stripper clips, for refilling emptied magazines.

What sort of "firefights" should a person anticipate.
Or, how many rounds per day or per week should one expect to use.
Then multiply out by x number of weeks... what is "x"?

Weeks??? If you're alone, it seems just a bit optimistic to think that you can survive several firefights per week, for weeks on end.

Maybe if you're with a group of trained infantrymen, you'll have a realistic chance of living through numerous firefights, but alone?

[LR1955]

Stan:

I am locking this thread because of your predictable and antagonistic responses.

I am also directing you to stop posting to the 2A Forum until either John or I say otherwise.

Also, you will not post responses to 2A topics on any other forum.

LR55