Accuracy1st training

[bigbear_98]

Has anyone taken a class with them? I am signed up for the Feb class in Lampasas. I plan on running my 308 but want to take my Grendel too just to see what she can do.

I have read lots of good things about them and watched the Magpul video. Any insight would be appreciated. Also would like to know if anyone wants to take the class with me!

[bigbear_98]

Adding some load development pics I took the other day. Shot these at 200 yards with my 308.

[NugginFutz]

Looks like May was a great month of shooting.

[LRRPF52]

Todd Hodnett is good people. I would load up a bunch of Grendel for that course as well, as you may be surprised. .510 > .4___ BC, and it will come into play with the distances and wind conditions he will have you shoot in.

What type of Grendel do you have? If I was attending his course, I would take my .260 Rem AR10 with 130gr VLD's, and my Grendel with 123gr A-MAX/SMK/Scenar with as tight of a twist as possible.

Todd has seen better results with abnormally tight twists and short barrels at extreme distances, like taking a 16" AR10 .308 carbine out to a mile with the 175gr SMK, or the 300gr Lapua Scenar out really far with a tight twist .338 with a bull 20" barrel. He uses a lot of high-end barrels in his rifles, and is a wealth of experience.

You will really want a scope level for his course, and you might as well buy his, which has a very tiny bubble level on a curve, for more accurate angle measurement.

[bigbear_98]

My grendel is a frankengun I put together with a 20" krieger 1:9. I posted a lot about broken bolts in another thread. I didn't get to shoot it much before the bolt broke.

Yes I Trued everything per your thread about ar accuracy but still had a broken bolt.

I have one of David tubb's levels on my 308. That rifle put me on a 4" plate at 1000 yards at best of the west in liberty hill. That range always has the same direction of wind though. I want to learn more.

[bigbear_98]

Looks like May was a great month of shooting.

Heh. Yeah those desk calendars make good backers. The office has them laying around all the time.

[LRRPF52]

My grendel is a frankengun I put together with a 20" krieger 1:9. I posted a lot about broken bolts in another thread. I didn't get to shoot it much before the bolt broke.

Yes I Trued everything per your thread about ar accuracy but still had a broken bolt.

I have one of David tubb's levels on my 308. That rifle put me on a 4" plate at 1000 yards at best of the west in liberty hill. That range always has the same direction of wind though. I want to learn more.

I think your bolt issue was metallurgy. If you get a good bolt made from properly heat-treated steel, it will last you. Multiple vendors have come online with 9130 bolts in the past 6 months, so you should be able to get a well-made one by the time of the course. I'm actually interested to see what Todd has to say about the Grendel, knowing his outlook on things (shorter quality barrels, high BC pills), so I'll do what I can to help you get a 9130 bolt or 2. You should always take at least 2 rifles to a course, since Murphy's law rules.

[bigbear_98]

I think your bolt issue was metallurgy. If you get a good bolt made from properly heat-treated steel, it will last you. Multiple vendors have come online with 9130 bolts in the past 6 months, so you should be able to get a well-made one by the time of the course. I'm actually interested to see what Todd has to say about the Grendel, knowing his outlook on things (shorter quality barrels, high BC pills), so I'll do what I can to help you get a 9130 bolt or 2. You should always take at least 2 rifles to a course, since Murphy's law rules.

Yes. Metallurgy/bad batch was exactly what's research brought me to as well, but some didn't like to hear that and basically called BS on my research.
I have ordered two bolts through precision firearms, and talked to the guys at underground tactical (and they are local) about getting two. Hoping to have something by then. I really would like to have a good load put together for it before the class. Any help you can offer would be much appreciated.

On another note, peter at accurracy1st told me of we don't have 5 people the class will cancel. Right now it is just myself and my cousin. Soooo. Anyone want to join me?? ;-)

[biodsl]

On another note, peter at accurracy1st told me of we don't have 5 people the class will cancel. Right now it is just myself and my cousin. Soooo. Anyone want to join me?? ;-)

I'd love to, but I'm saving up for some DM training in Utah later this year. You and your cousin could join LRRPF52 and I

[bigbear_98]

I'd love to, but I'm saving up for some DM training in Utah later this year. You and your cousin could join LRRPF52 and I

I'm not sure I know what DM training is? If this class gets canceled I would be looking for something else. I'm hoping it doesn't though because I have the logistics set up for this one and driving an hour across Texas compared to Flying to Utah is a pretty major difference.

[biodsl]

http://www.65grendel.com/forum/showthrea...ing-Region

The Grendel is made for this stuff.

[LRRPF52]

I'm not trying to snipe anyone from Accuracy First's training, as that is one of the best long-range courses in the world that you can attend.

My DM Course focuses more on shooting AR15's from 200-600yds, with 75% of the shooting done from difficult positions.

[bigbear_98]

Something I found yesterday from here

http://www.shadowspear.com/vb/threads/sp...tion.7466/

He attributed their victory to the quality training they received weeks before the competition.
“Chance and I work well together and we went down and trained with Todd Hoddnett, who operates Accuracy 1st, down in Texas. We trained for about two weeks, two months ago and we were actually alternates in this event, but we ended up competing,” explained Homeyer, who’s a native of George West, Texas.

He said that because they are both instructors, finding time to train was challenging.
“We had students, but we had to train when we could,” he added.

Accuracy 1st is a premier, long-range shooting school for special operations and Marine Corps snipers and the training they received in Texas was critical to propelling them to the top of the competition, Homeyer pointed out.

“It was great training with Todd,” he said. “He actually trained the top three teams in the open and service class of the competition.”

[bigbear_98]

NEXT WEEKEND!!! I am excited! Got all my 308 rounds built and the rifle is on. Feel like the grendel is running like it should. Can't wait to go!

[bigbear_98]

Trued both grendel and 308 at 870 yards today. Made hits all the way to 1175 with the 308. Bullet goes subsonic at 1060. Doesn't matter when you true your data you still make hits well beyond. Grendel performed as expected. Hit all the way to 1040 consistently when it is supposed to be subsonic at 984 yards. Didn't shoot but 42 rounds through it. Focused on 308.

[LRRPF52]

Looking very forward to your After Action Review. Please record a "lessons learned" mental logbook as you go along, because there is going to be a ton of information that you will absorb. Wish I was going with you, as I highly respect Todd and his experience.

[Heywood]

That sounds like a lot of fun, hope to see a detailed review soon. This is why I got into the grendel, I hope to be able to get to a few classes then some competition.

[bigbear_98]

I am at work so I will have to do more of a post later. To the point of equipment. There were two things that were highly recommended. A Kestrel with AB, not Horus, and any scope with Tremor 2 reticle, or Horus. BUT.... IT wasn't pushed as buy this it is the only way. It was "here are some things we have developed, we like it, we have seen great things happen because of them, and we recommend them." They showed us how to make any equipment work. There were no infomercials or anything like that. They had a TON of equipment from many different makers for us to look at. "THis is something we have tried and like. There may be other things out there, but this is what we like."

We were able to use anything he had and compare to what we had. I am happy with all of my equipment. It performed well.

The things I got out of the class were, a lazer range finder is invaluable. Any range finder that works. Lots don't work past normal shooting distance. Knowing DA is invaluable, hence the KEstrel. We were able to use a Kestrel through the class. After truing the data on both the Kestrel, my Ballistic AE iphone app, and the Whiz wheel, I could compare the three, make a shot, and see which was right. All three were. Your ballistic calculator MUST have a truing feature. Wind sucks.

After the class My cousin and I were putting hits on 12 plates at 1100 yards with ease. Anything under 800 was easy. I have complete confidence in my equipment both my 308 and my 6.5 Grendel. I learned how to watch trace from a bullet all the way to the target.

ETA: I also learned that your bullet can fly accurately, predictably, and precisely after it goes subsonic. This is the main reason to have an engine you can true. My 308 is subsonic at ~1060. I was hitting at 1174.

[bigbear_98]

148 Grendel

149 308

Wasn't a set number I had to shoot. I shot when I wanted, and shot as much as I wanted. I am a range whore and love it so I shot until dark both days. We didn't get on the range until just after lunch. I tried hitting every target they had on the range. Only one I had difficulty with was the 1 mile. I couldn't even begin to see where I was hitting nor could a spotter. My scope wouldn't come close to getting there. I was stacked into the clouds so I stopped after about 4 rounds into thin air.

[LRRPF52]

Any pics? Glad you had a great time. What are the numbers "148 Grendel, 149 308"?