6 year Update: 12" Faxon Group Buy Suppressed Grendel

[LRRPF52]

Finally got some time to get this together again.

Looking to see what I can do with it at distance.

[Bigs28]

Looking forward to the report. What optic?

[Les]

Looks pretty sexy with the Maxim brace. Looking forward to a range report.

[LRRPF52]

It has a GRSC 1-4 CRS reticle scope as a place-holder until I decide on an NX8 or March 1-8 Mini.

Looking at 110gr Controlled Chaos and 130gr Nosler RDF as the two main bullets I want to measure performance with.

Thinking about baselining it with 123gr factory ammo first for function.

[Bigs28]

Nice, i want the nf nx8 personally. It's about $500 cheaper. I do like the finer adjustments of the March though. I will be doing 110g controlled chaos through my 12" faxon in a couple weeks.

[BCHunter]

Looking forward to your range reports.

[LRRPF52]

Just got done running a 2-Day Long Range course and had the opportunity to test-fire and extend the range on this little pistol out to 800yds.

I was anticipating cycling issues since I'm in new territory with the Maxim PDW brace, mini buffer, and this barrel combo with CLGS, but it was flawless.

I tested first round hold-open with one round of 123gr American Gunner, locked back beautifully.

Then went through a mag while field-zeroing/holding at 200yds. Everything ran fine, ejection is very positive at 4 o'clock, slings the brass out 15ft away.

Today, I dialed my reticle into POI at a rough 100yds, and proceeded to engage steel from 400yds to 800yds with at least a 90% hit rate, as I was figuring out the trajectory difference between this 5.56 GRSC reticle and the actual Grendel ballistics in that scope.

Here's a picture of Buffalo Canyon from a previous DM Course. If you look at the top of the buttes on the left, then come down to the base of the cliff, that's where the 800yd steel is.



Out to 500yds, everything with the 5.56 M4 62gr reticle was dead-on center-punching the steel like it was easy. For 800yds, I used 700 plus one dot below the 700yd line for repeated hits on the steel buffalo.

Recoil is noticeably more than a 16" or 18" lightweight Grendel, but it's a much smaller gun with a stiff recoil Maxim Defense spring that is very positive in returning the BCG into battery, love it.

No steel was safe within my view, and it only goes up to 4x.

Using 2 different Elander mags, a 17rd and 24rd, it felt like everything was tip-top and absolutely no hiccups.

I'm interested to see how this sucker is going to do with 107gr SMK and 130gr RDF, as well as 95gr Controlled Chaos.

[Bigs28]

Very happy to see. I wanted to take mine to the 500 yard range with the leupold ar mod 1 1.5-4x but thought it would struggle. I'm not nearly the shooter you are but I'm glad to know the gun will be capable.

[LRRPF52]

Just put the reticle on target like anything else and break the shot with fundamentals.

Using the Hornady American Gunner, the wind drift is a lot more than a Scenar, maybe 1.4 mils for me at 500yds.

With 123gr Scenar, it's 2.5 mils at 1000yds at North Springs (6600ft elevation), supersonic to 1150yds, assuming a 2230fps mv.

This is what the GRSC reticle looks like:




The dot below 700 was dead-on for me at 800yds in the conditions we were in yesterday.




I was just using this scope as a place-holder, but now that it's zero'd and does what it does so easily, I'm thinking of leaving it on there.

[LRRPF52]

Here's where POI was at 800yds with 123gr American Gunner, which has a pretty low BC in the low .4s G1.

All my other impacts were literally dead on out to 500yds.

[Kswhitetails]

I am really glad you finally got back up and running P. Looking good so far, eh?

I just got my PST 1-4 back from Vortex, and have it mounted and ready to sight in. Need to get to the range for some 400 yard steel. I'm pretty confident it's good to go, and seeing your posts here are making me drool over the PDWs again, I had already given those up in favor of the Blade.

Keep the reports coming. Have any plans on showing up at an event with it as your competitive tool of choice, just to see the look on the other guys faces? Hi, I'm Joe, and this is my little friend! We'll be in your care this weekend!

[LRRPF52]

I tried to get Vortex to put the GRSC reticle in their 1-4 and 1-6 Razor when they came out, but they went with their circle reticle.

If you get behind this reticle, the world opens in front of you without any training really.

There are guys in SF who handed it over to some ladies that had never shot a rifle before, and they matched the times on target and number of rounds on target within time as school-trained SOTIC Snipers within SF.

[Kswhitetails]

That comes as a heavy recommendation. Is this optic one of the "accepted" but not advertised useful tools of the trade? I've never heard of them.

Videos look to support this theory. They aren't advertising videos of much budget, but I appreciate the fact that they seem to simply report the data more so than scripted by an agency to sell more units.

If you don't mind, report on your impressions of the Jap glass, construction, and expected useful lifespan over on your other thread. I'd love to hear more about this one. I like this ret as well. The ACSS looks similar, but this one seems more refined, and I've always liked circle "enclosures" in reticle stadia to assist in ranging and moving targets.

I like the capped turrets and hold-over 1-6 idea very much.

[jonny rotton]

what is the weight of this?? i do have several with the acss reticle and love them. they weigh in at approxiamately 15.5 pound

[LRRPF52]

ACSS is a knock-off of the GRSC reticle.

GRSC reticle was developed over decades of research to specifically be a combat optic meant for US military use by a former US Army Special Forces Weapons Specialist and Medic who served in 5th and 1st Groups in the 1970s.

Primary Arms actually contacted him about using his reticle in a new line of scopes they were planning years ago, but GRSC had an exclusive agreement with their manufacturing partners.

Primary Arms then had Dimitri basically copy the reticle, as you can clearly see.

[jonny rotton]

thats odd. the reticle you show is not the acss i have in my scopes. close but different. hmmmmm i wonder whats up

[jonny rotton]

do you know the weight of your scope??

[LRRPF52]

thats odd. the reticle you show is not the acss i have in my scopes. close but different. hmmmmm i wonder whats up

They have several different ACSS reticles, not just one. They are knock-offs of the combat-proven GRSC.

GRSC went around to all the optics manufacturers at SHOT and in person to companies many years ago and asked if they would put his reticle in their scopes.

They all said they weren't interested, then immediately started putting in horseshoe reticles, including ACOG, Burris, Bushnell, Leupold, Browe, and now Sig.

[LRRPF52]

[StoneHendge]

I really want to know what the person who designed that Bushnell Elite SMRS reticle was on (second from the bottom). Good detail on the vertical plus a big turret with 0.1 mil clicks. But relax - don't get lost in the details with your wind hold!