Rumor- PRVI dropping their Grendel loads?

[BluntForceTrauma]

LB45, just don't wear one of those white hockey goalie masks. People will get the wrong idea. Just sayin'. . . .

[1075 tech]

How different is the PRVI from the Wolf line? I have 2 cases of Wolf steel and not nearly enough Wolf Gold. Of course, no issues through my SAAMI AA barrel.

[rabiddawg]

I don't shoot the stuff and this pisses me off.

They better be glad I'm not a lawyer. I'd be making some barrel manufacturers real nervous.

[LR1955]

Guys:

I don't get it. There are probably dozens of chamber variations for the .308 and 5.56 yet I haven't seen nor heard of any ammo company recalling all their ammo and brass, claiming that their brass or ammo are dangerous to shoot in any of these variations.

Personally I have fired a bunch of Wolf 120 grain factory loads in what you guys call a 6.5 LBC as well as a SAAMI Grendel chamber with my only comment being how mild the loads were.

And, as someone else here said -- Hornady isn't recalling all of their Grendel ammo.

Too bad because the Wolf and PPU stuff was OK to shoot and much cheaper than any US factory load.

Maybe you guys should keep your 7.62 X 39 brass after all?

LR55

[rabiddawg]

I would bet Prvi got tired of all the complaints about ammo not chambering or flattened primers etc. etc.

[rickOshay]

No, it doesn't make sense. This seems like a major CYA.

But Bill A's rather cryptic post did not suggest safety concerns.

No direct statement from Prvi, but lots of rumors.

Some are saying that it was due to people measuring excessive headspace: 0.007-8 under minimum.

[Grendelsbane]

Guys:

I don't get it. There are probably dozens of chamber variations for the .308 and 5.56 yet I haven't seen nor heard of any ammo company recalling all their ammo and brass, claiming that their brass or ammo are dangerous to shoot in any of these variations.

Personally I have fired a bunch of Wolf 120 grain factory loads in what you guys call a 6.5 LBC as well as a SAAMI Grendel chamber with my only comment being how mild the loads were.

And, as someone else here said -- Hornady isn't recalling all of their Grendel ammo.

Too bad because the Wolf and PPU stuff was OK to shoot and much cheaper than any US factory load.

Maybe you guys should keep your 7.62 X 39 brass after all?

LR55

The Silver State Armory Xtreme load debacle didn't knock Silver State out of the 6.8 market, so I agree that this doesn't make a lot of sense at the moment with what Prvi is saying.

[Eisenacharms]

Anyone with a case gauge can check their PPU/Wolf Gold for excessive cartridge head space. This is the issue here. I've measured some rounds that were dangerously short and went on record several month ago in regards to this....

Nice to see PPU is recalling, I look forward to their small rifle primer offerings.

[JASmith]

Anyone with a case gauge can check their PPU/Wolf Gold for excessive cartridge head space. This is the issue here. I've measured some rounds that were dangerously short and went on record several month ago in regards to this...

I will admit I personally knee-jerked to a different explanation but am open to hearing and understanding alternative causes.

Were all the cases in a particular box too short or was it a mixed bag?

I can see an ammunition maker blaming the rifle even when the problem lies in the ammunition. My confusion lies in the apparent complete and presumably permanently abandonment of Grendel ammuniton.

These apparent contradictions fuel speculation about what else might be going on...

[rickOshay]

When a manufacturer builds to a national standard (eg SAAMI), and they make a lot out of spec, they generally issue a notice of noncompliance and issue a recall of that lot.

But here, they've recalled all ammo and brass and blamed barrel manufacturers. No admission of out of spec product.

Smells bad.

[NugginFutz]

Smells to high heaven. If the various chambers were the issue, why limit the recall to only the 2015 and later casings? Surely the offending chambers cannot tell the difference between a case manufactured from one year to the next!

I've read multiple instances of soft brass, primer pockets which loosen after only one or two firings, etc. I really have a hard time believing that the issue is in the barrel, and not in the cases. Otherwise, why would the other brands of ammunition and cases not be experiencing the same problem?

[Eisenacharms]

I will admit I personally knee-jerked to a different explanation but am open to hearing and understanding alternative causes.

Were all the cases in a particular box too short or was it a mixed bag?

I can see an ammunition maker blaming the rifle even when the problem lies in the ammunition. My confusion lies in the apparent complete and presumably permanently abandonment of Grendel ammuniton.

These apparent contradictions fuel speculation about what else might be going on...

Between a box of the wolf gold and a box of PPU I checked almost all the rounds were out of SAAMI specification.

[BluntForceTrauma]

EA, good info. Somehow we'll sort out this whole issue.

[cosh]

I only had two boxes of 20ea. I pulled them down to reclaim the bullets for my 6.5 Swede. I have the 120 HP-BT and there was ~29 grains of powder and it only varied +/- 0.1 grain. I'll check the case length for HS.

[nimitzman]

they are recalling all their grendel loads www.info@ppu-usa.com 203 375-8544 for info