I have a bunch of 10X and would like try try it in my Grendel with 100gr bullets. Anyone have any experience with 10x they would like to share?
Reloader 10X
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Originally posted by mseric View PostInteresting, I wonder why Hornady chose 10X as one of their powders for the 95gr V-Max?
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Originally posted by sneaky one View Postmseric, by stating you have a bunch, what amount are you talking about, and what are your thoughts?
I have the following powders that may work in the Grendel with 100gr bullets.
748
2230
10-x
X-t
IMR 4198
H-4198
H-322
Benchmark
IMR 3031
N-200
N-201
N-130
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Originally posted by sneaky one View Postm-eric-- I talked to the guys at ramshot-accurate arms, and asked the big question-- is 2230 & x-term the same powder? they said yes it is. I'm thinking of switching to Imr 8208, why ? To gain a 100 fps. in speed . I remember talking to LR1955 a while back of 10-x, and he said - let it go!
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Yeah, I talked to Johan at Western Powders a few months ago about X-T and 2230. He told me they were the same burn rate and that load data was interchangeable. Don't know if that means they are the exact same powder out of the same batch with different packaging or what.
Thing is their own load data says otherwise. For example, in the Grendel with 100gr Nosler BT with 2.230 OAL, AA 2230 has a max load of 28.1gr at 2636fps, while Ramshot data for X-T lists a Max load of 29.7gr at 2709fps both running at 51K++ psi. If they are the same and their load data is interchangeable, why the big difference in their own data?
I found his email response.
Yes for all practical purposes it’s the same burn rate.
Therefore the same loads will apply.
Regards
Johan Loubser
Ballistician
Ramshot.Accurate Powders
Last edited by Guest; 09-22-2011, 03:15 AM.
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I personally used the 100 grain ttsx to shoot an elk last year. My load was 28 grains of aa2230. It was getting me around 2800 feet per second from my 20" barrel. As I am sure you know, I am about to try them out with aa2200 which is about as fast as 10x. My personal experience with the Grendel is that faster powders really make a difference with the light bullets. I would not use a faster powder for anything heavier than 100 grains though.
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One of the first loads I ran in my Grendel was 28.0 gr of AA2460 behind a Sierra Varminter 100gr bullet. Because I didn't have the modified case for the Grendel to put on the comparator stick, I mistakenly loaded them to mag length and thought I was good to go. Single loading them from a bench produced the best 5-shot group I've ever done at 200 yards.
Might have had something to do with the fact that they were firmly and thoroughly stuffed into the rifling every time the carrier went forward. Never saw a hint of pressure indications. Runs about 2800 fps out of my 28 inch barrel.
I *might* have got the idea to run AA2460 off somebody on the old forum...something about 'magical' with 100-108 gr projectiles...
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mseric,
I think your difference is in the politics. I have run across the same issues in the past with powders, and I have actually seen the exact same manual (different edition) have the exact same load data with lower charge recommendations. I contacted the company to see why this was, and they, in a turnabout way, told me that it's pretty much for legal liability purposes... If someone reports that they loaded the max load, but still within the manual, and the gun blew up on them or something, then the company can be held liable for that because they printed it.
So this might be the same case, and it's two different companies, but one is more "cautious" than the other in the data release... I would assume its a CYA for the company...
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