2600+ FPS, 123 gr. bullet, 20" barrel... Problem?

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  • McFireFighter
    Warrior
    • Jan 2016
    • 148

    #31
    If you have the room to shoot out to 300-500 yards. If you are zero'd at 100 yards. Record the drop at 300 yards or whatever yardage you use. Use a ballistic program with the data for the bullet you are shooting and manipulate the velocity in the app until it reflects the drop in inches at the yardage you shot. It's not going to be an exact science but should be close. I tested it on my ballistic app and it seemed to work.

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    • Vasux86
      Warrior
      • Apr 2015
      • 108

      #32
      Originally posted by McFireFighter View Post
      If you have the room to shoot out to 300-500 yards. If you are zero'd at 100 yards. Record the drop at 300 yards or whatever yardage you use. Use a ballistic program with the data for the bullet you are shooting and manipulate the velocity in the app until it reflects the drop in inches at the yardage you shot. It's not going to be an exact science but should be close. I tested it on my ballistic app and it seemed to work.
      This is the process I used (at different distances) and it worked fine. There are probably easier ways to do it, but this was the only way I knew.

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      • McFireFighter
        Warrior
        • Jan 2016
        • 148

        #33
        Awesome.

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        • LRRPF52
          Super Moderator
          • Sep 2014
          • 9054

          #34
          You will get more resolution at 600yds or farther if you can. I use calipers to measure my optic height above bore, so there is no room for optic height to throw another variable into the mix.
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          • McFireFighter
            Warrior
            • Jan 2016
            • 148

            #35
            Originally posted by LRRPF52 View Post
            You will get more resolution at 600yds or farther if you can. I use calipers to measure my optic height above bore, so there is no room for optic height to throw another variable into the mix.
            I do the same in all of my ballistic apps. Amazing what a difference it makes.

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            • JASmith
              Chieftain
              • Sep 2014
              • 1644

              #36
              Originally posted by McFireFighter View Post
              If you have the room to shoot out to 300-500 yards. If you are zero'd at 100 yards. Record the drop at 300 yards or whatever yardage you use. Use a ballistic program with the data for the bullet you are shooting and manipulate the velocity in the app until it reflects the drop in inches at the yardage you shot. It's not going to be an exact science but should be close. I tested it on my ballistic app and it seemed to work.
              If you have room to shoot put to 300-500 yards, zero at 200 yards observe what you get at 100, 250, 300, 350, 450 & 500 yards.

              First, your drop tables are well established in grund truth for the temperature you shot at.

              Second, you may find that holdng one's shots to an intermediate range is well advised for ethical hits in the vital zone.
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              • FW Conch
                Warrior
                • Nov 2014
                • 289

                #37
                ^ This works for me :-) ^

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                • Vasux86
                  Warrior
                  • Apr 2015
                  • 108

                  #38
                  Originally posted by LRRPF52 View Post
                  You will get more resolution at 600yds or farther if you can. I use calipers to measure my optic height above bore, so there is no room for optic height to throw another variable into the mix.
                  I did this as well. Although most apps or programs I looked at default to 1.50", the center of my scope was actually 1.59" above the center of the bore. I'm curious to know how much difference that makes when you get past 500 yards.

                  Originally posted by JASmith View Post
                  If you have room to shoot put to 300-500 yards, zero at 200 yards observe what you get at 100, 250, 300, 350, 450 & 500 yards.

                  First, your drop tables are well established in grund truth for the temperature you shot at.

                  Second, you may find that holdng one's shots to an intermediate range is well advised for ethical hits in the vital zone.
                  I like this. I'm always a fan of results over predictions/theory, especially when you need to make a decision about whether or not to take an ethical shot.

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                  • McFireFighter
                    Warrior
                    • Jan 2016
                    • 148

                    #39
                    Agreed. And thanks for elaborating on my theory. Made sense to me but sometimes difficult to put in words.

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                    • LRRPF52
                      Super Moderator
                      • Sep 2014
                      • 9054

                      #40
                      I'm not seeing how it is physically possible to have a scope center 1.59" from an AR15 bore. 2" would be extremely low. 1.59" would have to be some tiny tube with Weaver rings clamping it to the upper.
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                      • McFireFighter
                        Warrior
                        • Jan 2016
                        • 148

                        #41
                        I think mine is 2.25" with aero precision mount. Don't quote me on that.

                        Ballistics had my updated height adjustment. It is 2.25, not 2.2". Still updating my records since the phone reset.
                        Last edited by McFireFighter; 03-29-2016, 04:15 PM.

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                        • Vasux86
                          Warrior
                          • Apr 2015
                          • 108

                          #42
                          Originally posted by LRRPF52 View Post
                          I'm not seeing how it is physically possible to have a scope center 1.59" from an AR15 bore. 2" would be extremely low. 1.59" would have to be some tiny tube with Weaver rings clamping it to the upper.
                          I'll double check tonight and see if it's still 1.59"
                          Last edited by Vasux86; 03-29-2016, 04:20 PM.

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                          • Vasux86
                            Warrior
                            • Apr 2015
                            • 108

                            #43
                            Originally posted by LRRPF52 View Post
                            I'm not seeing how it is physically possible to have a scope center 1.59" from an AR15 bore. 2" would be extremely low. 1.59" would have to be some tiny tube with Weaver rings clamping it to the upper.
                            Here's the method I used a few months ago. Tell me if you would recommend using a different method.

                            I removed the handguard and measured from the bottom of the barrel to the top of the scope with a caliper. I then measured the OD of the barrel and the OD of the scope. I subtracted 1/2 OD of each from the total measurement from the bottom of the barrel to the top of the scope.

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                            • McFireFighter
                              Warrior
                              • Jan 2016
                              • 148

                              #44
                              I measure middle of bolt to middle of windage cap.

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                              • Vasux86
                                Warrior
                                • Apr 2015
                                • 108

                                #45
                                Originally posted by LRRPF52 View Post
                                I'm not seeing how it is physically possible to have a scope center 1.59" from an AR15 bore. 2" would be extremely low. 1.59" would have to be some tiny tube with Weaver rings clamping it to the upper.
                                Good call on this. I don't know what went wrong last time, but I redid my measurements and my scope height is actually 2.79"

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