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$6- $7 a box would be great price point for me.
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When the pre-production, steel case ammo was here, nobody who had some was willing to do gel tests with it.
I was going to ask if there are any plans for gel tests of the production ammo, but since the steel-core bullet has been succeeded by a plain ol' lead-core projectile, I guess it no longer matters...
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The Russians are a bit unpredictable. Bill was shown steel core projectiles. Now they've switched the production ammo to lead core. Under the circumstances, with the ban on steel core 5.45x39, I think it's very much for the best.
Bill will be gel testing the production ammo, although I think he agrees with Stan that it's a little moot, and he'd rather have seen what the steel core would have done.
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David Fortier got some to play with. His remarks are here at Arfcom:
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I believe that is the opener which LRRPF52 used to revive this discussion! Thanks for the link, just the same.
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Sweet. Cant wait to do some blasting.Comment
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And inevitable. Even if a batch of the steel-core loads had been imported, the ATF would've soon banned it, causing lead-core bullets to be made for succeeding shipments.Originally posted by HANKA View Post
Moot, yes. But I suppose it might still be of academic interest to a number of people.Bill will be gel testing the production ammo, although I think he agrees with Stan that it's a little moot, and he'd rather have seen what the steel core would have done.Comment
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I'm not really convinced steel core would have meant anything different in terms of gel testing. Those steel jackets don't really like to fragment. We shot a cow once, who had broken her leg, with Wolf FMJ 7.62x39 right through the skull. The bullet was found behind the skull in the neck. It was dented and squished (lead pushed out the hole in the back), but never thought of fragmenting.
Maybe steel core would offer a slight bonus for post-barrier terminal effects, but not much else. Either is going to rip through soft armor, and be stopped by sappi plates, so that's a wash. It would be against stuff like bricks, cinder blocks etc.. that you might see a difference.Comment
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This is about what we can expect, maybe more penetration, but about the same interaction.
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Mtn_shooter, thanks for the vid link. Seeing the Silver Bear with its galvanized case reminds me of a little coating discussion I had with Bill A. a couple days ago. He has specified the green lacquer for the 65G steel cases. I asked why not the gray polymer-coated or the silver zinc-coated (galvanized) steel. He said the zinc sticks too much and is only done because it's the cheapest of the cheap; the green lacquer is the best all-round so that's what he specced.
Now, of course, I know there's an opinion (I don't know if it's a consensus) on AR15.com that green lacquer doesn't work in ARs. I'm going to speculate it depends on the chamber design. I guess we'll have yet another debate where Billy Bob gun plumber is second-guessing Bill A's engineering experience in actually designing and manufacturing the things for lo these many years.
Bill anticipated the potential of steel-case from the very beginning and designed the chamber to allow certain tolerances for it. I hope the variant 65G chamberings, which I'm guessing where NOT designed with green lacquer steel-case ammo in mind, don't go having hissy fits if they don't work well with steel-case. They'll be whining, "Ten years ago Bill A. deliberately sabotaged us by designing his chamber to work with a wide variety of bullets AND potentially steel-case ammo and he did some secret something so that our new and improved chambers don't work! It's all HIS fault!"
And so it goes. You heard it here first.
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So true!Originally posted by HANKA View PostMtn_shooter, thanks for the vid link. Seeing the Silver Bear with its galvanized case reminds me of a little coating discussion I had with Bill A. a couple days ago. He has specified the green lacquer for the 65G steel cases. I asked why not the gray polymer-coated or the silver zinc-coated (galvanized) steel. He said the zinc sticks too much and is only done because it's the cheapest of the cheap; the green lacquer is the best all-round so that's what he specced.
Now, of course, I know there's an opinion (I don't know if it's a consensus) on AR15.com that green lacquer doesn't work in ARs. I'm going to speculate it depends on the chamber design. I guess we'll have yet another debate where Billy Bob gun plumber is second-guessing Bill A's engineering experience in actually designing and manufacturing the things for lo these many years.
Bill anticipated the potential of steel-case from the very beginning and designed the chamber to allow certain tolerances for it. I hope the variant 65G chamberings, which I'm guessing where NOT designed with green lacquer steel-case ammo in mind, don't go having hissy fits if they don't work well with steel-case. They'll be whining, "Ten years ago Bill A. deliberately sabotaged us by designing his chamber to work with a wide variety of bullets AND potentially steel-case ammo and he did some secret something so that our new and improved chambers don't work! It's all HIS fault!"
And so it goes. You heard it here first.
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Screw the debate. I'm all for direct testing.
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Oooh, it sounds like somebody is in dire need of a group hug...Originally posted by Variable View Post
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