Will this be a contender against the 130 Berger Hybrid? I ordered 300 to find out! Going with CFE & similar loads i run for the 130 Hybrid. Any input if the bearing surface is more/less than the Berger?
130 ELD-M In Stock at Midway
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This will be fun! Looking forward to your results!
On a side note: Seems everybody is copying Berger's hybrid ogive, and Nosler went one better by factory pointing the tips. (One-man shop Precision Ballistics LLC already offered this for years). How long before Berger starts pointing their tips, as well? My calculations found this accounts for about 0.015 G1 BC points.:: 6.5 GRENDEL Deer and Targets :: 6mmARC Targets and Varmints and Deer :: 22 ARC Varmints and Targets
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Midway showed up today with the new 130 ELDM. First impressions and observations: Weight on 5 projectiles: 129.9, 129.8, 130.2, 129.9, 129.7 (about typical Hornaday QC). Picture below is in order from left to right for comparison: 107 SMK, 123 Amax, 129 SST, 130 ELDM, 130 Berger Hybrid & 140 ELDM (from my 6.5 Creed). I am running an AR24 Lilija with a longer throat allowing me to load longer so I am going to run ASC Mags with a COAL of +/- 2.30, Base to O-Give of 1.6938 (or 0.05 off the lands which has proven to be a sweet spot with most projectiles in this barrel). Its interesting to note that the 130 ELDM & Berger 130 Hybrid measure out to the same base-ogive length when using the Hornaday OAL gauge. Given the longer OAL of the 130 ELDM & shallower boat tail profile I am going to conclude the 130 ELDM has a longer bearing surface than the 130 Berger Hybrid. My starting ladder will be CFE223 from 30.3-31.5 @ 0.03gr intervals. 31.5g being my best 130 Berger Hybrid load @ 2,640 FPS:
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Excellent details and pic. Thanks for that. That's a competitive load.
It also should make a great hunting bullet if it's anything like the AMAX, which it is except for the tip.
They use the same AMP jacket technology with improved uniformity and concentricity, and a consistent lead core, but with the new Heat Shield tip.
AMAX has proven to be an excellent hunting bullet, with performance that is difficult to distinguish from the SST.Last edited by LRRPF52; 11-22-2016, 05:56 PM.NRA Basic, Pistol, Rifle, Shotgun, RSO
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Data Intense - Ladder Test Results
I spent the morning at the range running ladders on the new 130 ELDM/CFE as well as verifying existing CFE loads with the temperature change. CFE Temp sensitivity: previous loads for 123 Amax & 130 Berger Hybrid were chronoed at 93 degrees (Southwest Florida Summer). Temp today was around 72 degrees resulting in (as predicted) reduced velocities. My 32.1g 123 Amax load was down 44 FPS (2 FPS/degree) & 130 Berger load down 55 FPS (2.5 FPS/degree). Somewhat more than the temp sensitivity chart from Nuggin @ 1.7 FPS/Degree? 130 ELDM ladder test with CFE from 30.3g-31.5g *Note - I'm loading long @ 2.30 COAL*: See summary below for detail data, very weird FPS jumps from 30.3g-30.6g then again from 31.2g-31.5g. Opinions? Pressure curve? Bad Data? I have never experienced this with CFE before. Typically there is some uniformity to the rate of powder increases and velocity increases. Groups, some promise at 30.3 & 31.5. Although I am a little concerned with the unusual velocity changes. No signs of over pressure/swipe/flattened primers on brass. Conclusion, need to run the 130 ELDM out to 1k and confirm if the advertised G7 of .279 holds true. If that holds and I can keep velocity around 2,600 safely (at this temp) then it will hang right with the 130 Berger AR Hybrid at savings of roughly $0.07/bullet. Also appears to easily outperform the 123 Amax (expected) at these velocities especially bucking wind (see drop comparison charts below). Side note, velocity data at 31.5gr appears to confirm bearing surface of 130 ELDM (2,623 FPS) is longer than the 130 AR Berger (2,585 FPS). Will report on advertised G7 once I run out to 1K.
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That's going to be a great bullet for you I think.
I will say that with the 129gr ABLR, 30.4gr CFE was max if you are sticking with 50,000psi.
That 42fps jump from your 30.6gr to 30.9gr loads appears to be a pressure spike, which would not surprise me in the least.
The Lilja barrel with a longer throat might allow you to get away with the 30.9-31.2 region.
Maybe load some fine ladders in there and see what happens with nodes and SDs.
I would also try LVR.NRA Basic, Pistol, Rifle, Shotgun, RSO
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This could end up being my go-to bullet for 6.5 Grendel if it works out.
For 16-18" barrels, with that 30.6 to 31.2gr load range of CFE, it will likely be in the 2400-2460fps range for me.
I think I'll try it with LVR though first.
BC is .554 on this one for G1.NRA Basic, Pistol, Rifle, Shotgun, RSO
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I have loaded and shot about 150 of the 130 ELDM in 6.5 Creed clocking around 2,840 out to 800 yards using the drop based on the advertised G7 0.279 and it appears that the advertised G7 is correct. Drops where right on. Great load for the Creed. Still have some loaded up in the Grendel that I will take out to 1k to verify G7 as well.
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I think Hornady is using doppler radar derived BCs now for the ELDs, so drop should be dead-on, especially taking twist rate into consideration.
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There's an interesting read over at http://www.hornady.com/BC
Hornady is providing ELD-M and ELD-X BCs for Mach 2.25, 2.0 and 1.75. They're suggesting using the Mach 1.75 BC for solutions beyond 600 yards. Let's see if I'm smart enough to post a picture of the chart...It will be interesting to see if this advice holds.Attached FilesLast edited by biodsl; 01-07-2017, 11:32 PM.Paul Peloquin
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bio, nicely done--- this may change my shooting at targets - mindset for the Grrrrr, hmmmmmmm
Well, L52 and his love for heavies helps too.Last edited by sneaky one; 01-10-2017, 02:33 AM.
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Originally posted by sneaky one View Postbio, nicely done--- this may change my shooting at targets - mindset for the Grrrrr, hmmmmmmm
Well, L52 and his love for heavies helps too.Knowing everthing isnt as important as knowing where to find it.
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Originally posted by sneaky one View Postbio, nicely done--- this may change my shooting at targets - mindset for the Grrrrr, hmmmmmmm
Well, L52 and his love for heavies helps too.
If that's a light bullet that does the job better, then I'll go for that.
If it's heavy, same thing.
What we start to see is that sectional density and BC play important roles in that, even at closer ranges than conventional thought would have estimated.
For example, a 10.5" Grendel shooting 123gr has more energy at the muzzle and throughout the entire flight path than a 20" M16A2 pushing M855 62gr 5.56 NATO.
The energy bleeds very fast on the lower BC M855 projectile, although it does have impressive close range performance on target and is flatter.
Penetration favors the 10.5" 123gr 6.5mm due to BC and SD. Wind deflection is still less with the slow 6.5mm.
Head shots are easier within a certain range with the 20" M855 due to flat trajectory.
The 10.5" Grendel still proves more useful across a wide range of tasks, and from a much smaller package.NRA Basic, Pistol, Rifle, Shotgun, RSO
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