Cavity Back 105 gr Gel Results

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  • rickOshay
    Warrior
    • Apr 2012
    • 784

    Cavity Back 105 gr Gel Results

    Finally got test the Cavity Back Bullet 105 gr today.

    The 105 is much shorter than the 118 at 1.246" iong. It has a single groove versus two for the 118.
    The G1 is listed to be 0.480.
    CBB also recommends 1700 - 3000 fps. That's 100 fps higher than the 118.

    Based on my experience with the 118, I weighed 10 of the 105s and measured 105.4 to 105.9, with seven of them being either 105.8 or 105.9.

    Using the methods published in Chapter 6 - Terminal Ballistics in Vol 2 of the 6.5 Grendel Reloading Handbook here's what I got:
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    Left: 2088 fps, expanded to 0.435", penetration >17" (hit bottom of second gel
    Right: 1724 fps, no expansion, penetration was >25" as it took a curved path.

    As CavityBackBullets pointed out in post #9 on the related thread, the 105s are made to a higher hardness than the 118s. http://www.65grendel.com/forum/showt...gr-gel-results

    This data supports the higher hardness. The 105 did not open at all at 1724 fps. The tip was damaged when it struck the bottom metal plate.

    The gel below shows the 1724 fps shot at the top, leaving very little of a cavity until it flipped over after 13". The second track was at 2113; third was 2247, forth was 2088; and the 5th was a commercial SST traveling at 2511 fps. You can see the red tip in the second node of the track. Only the two shown were recovered. All others exited the top of the second get.


    The stars were aligned just right today as the 1724 fps shot hit the bottom metal plate and bounded up and took a right turn going base first. It spent its energy as it reached the edge of the gel. About half of the bullet protruded through the side. In baseball, we'd call that a "snow cone". Sometimes, you get lucky.
  • Cornbread
    Warrior
    • Dec 2015
    • 288

    #2
    And that in a nutshell is why I don't care for solid copper bullets. If your hunting big tough game and need maximum penetration then yes. But i have seen too many long blood trails from lack of trauma with the barnes type bullets. Last year I shot a buck at 100 yds with a 7 mag barnes and had the deer run 150 yds in very steep terrain. Recovery was a biotch. The wound channel looked like a bow shot deer. Very localized trauma. Same stand,same distance almost exact same spot 123 sst from the grendel 45 yd recovery. Wound trauma was massive.

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    • rickOshay
      Warrior
      • Apr 2012
      • 784

      #3
      No arguing your results. And I have no horse in this race. I just wanted to point out why these new projectiles are interesting - lower velocities required for effective performance versus Barnes. Also keep in mind the wound channels shown above for CBB are from 300 fps slower impact versus the SST. I have not yet done the higher velocity tests to give direct comparison to the SST.

      But here is what the SST looks like at similar velocities - from p46 of the 6.5 Grendel Reloading Handbook, Vol2.

      The SST did not open much at all at 1800 fps.

      Last edited by rickOshay; 12-10-2016, 02:40 AM.

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      • CavityBackBullets
        Warrior
        • Nov 2016
        • 117

        #4
        Good to see someone else's gel results.
        I will amend the website to 1800 minimum opening speed after your results.
        The SST you compare to is the 123 correct? Good to see but would rather see it compared to a like weight bullet.

        We are seeing non Barnes type results in game.
        Massive trauma, massive blood loss, pass thru's with large blood trails.
        The MKZ line is not your typical monolithic. This next run of them will have a slightly larger me-plat to induce more expansion.

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        • Cornbread
          Warrior
          • Dec 2015
          • 288

          #5
          Looking at the sst in the gel it looks like the jacket seperated from the core which I believe is typical for the sst. Curiously the pictures from the grendel handbook show no seperation. I know from looking at testing of 6.8 sst's that even at lower velicities it sheds it's jacket. Perhaps the higher sd of the 6.5 is responsible. I know the deer I shot at 100 yds had massive trauma and exit wound. I think the cavity back is a good idea. When I build the 6mm ar I may give them a try.

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          • rickOshay
            Warrior
            • Apr 2012
            • 784

            #6
            Originally posted by Cornbread View Post
            Looking at the sst in the gel it looks like the jacket seperated from the core which I believe is typical for the sst. Curiously the pictures from the grendel handbook show no seperation. I know from looking at testing of 6.8 sst's that even at lower velicities it sheds it's jacket. Perhaps the higher sd of the 6.5 is responsible. I know the deer I shot at 100 yds had massive trauma and exit wound. I think the cavity back is a good idea. When I build the 6mm ar I may give them a try.
            The SST does shed SOME of its jacket. The handbook data listed about 20% loss. And the gel picture shows a piece that supports that result.

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            • rickOshay
              Warrior
              • Apr 2012
              • 784

              #7
              Originally posted by CavityBackBullets View Post
              Good to see someone else's gel results.
              I will amend the website to 1800 minimum opening speed after your results.
              The SST you compare to is the 123 correct? Good to see but would rather see it compared to a like weight bullet.

              We are seeing non Barnes type results in game.
              Massive trauma, massive blood loss, pass thru's with large blood trails.
              The MKZ line is not your typical monolithic. This next run of them will have a slightly larger me-plat to induce more expansion.
              Thanks CBB. The 105 gr version gives the Grendel shooter an effective range out to about 400 yards, assuming 2600 fps at muzzle. Well done!

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