Lrs ranger you summed it up perfectly . That and the new lighter alloy ( monolithic ) bullets, are the ticket for the Grr.. I just read that winchester has a 95/5 mono bullet out, and they anneal the petals before forging into shape around the plastic tip- guarantees they will expand... bad news is , no 6.5 Caliber
6.5 grendel deer load ?
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Steel, the amax can be used for hunting big game if it's legal in your state., in Mn we have to use expanding , not fragmenting (Amax ) types of bullets, ummm. Pass some more lead infused and cooked throughout venison, as lead is good eats. If you hit them in the head , in the meat there's no lead.
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Just came from the range, shot 50 rounds of 120 Sierra Pro-Hunter with H322 at 100 yds. Best 5-shot group 1.5", worst 2.9". That's out of a 16" barrel. I've got some Varget for the next time out, we'll see how that does. Anyone using H322 or Varget?Last edited by Guest; 07-13-2011, 11:22 PM.
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Originally posted by sneaky one View PostSteel, the amax can be used for hunting big game if it's legal in your state., in Mn we have to use expanding , not fragmenting (Amax ) types of bullets, ummm. Pass some more lead infused and cooked throughout venison, as lead is good eats. If you hit them in the head , in the meat there's no lead.Last edited by Guest; 07-14-2011, 10:41 AM.
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Originally posted by Whelenon View PostJust came from the range, shot 50 rounds of 120 Sierra Pro-Hunter with H322 at 100 yds. Best 5-shot group 1.5", worst 2.9". That's out of a 16" barrel. I've got some Varget for the next time out, we'll see how that does. Anyone using H322 or Varget?
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I've used the 130gr Swifts on AA factory ammo and it works well the accuracy I get out of those aren't superb . I get about 1.25" @ 100yards, but it nails them good.. currently reloading the 120NBT's.
I called Hornady and spoke to 2 different people on 2 separate occasions. I gathered this. I was told that they both strongly disagree with the use of the Hornady 123 Amax line for deer or hogs. They said that they don't recommend it at all for hunting.. that it was primarily designed for target.. However I see on Utube all the time their commercials where they are advertising them as good for target, hunting and varmints.. so what really is the ticket?
I called Nosler and asked them about their 120NBT's and they too suggested against the use of this particular bullet for hunting.. they recommend the Partition for such game and animals.. Right now I am loading the 120NBT's with 31.4gr BL-(c)2 , Haven't shot hogs or anything yet with this combo.. I'll report back as soon as I get to go out and play..
-Juanjo322
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What information are your giving the representatives when you talk with them?- Type of game?
- Muzzle velocity?
- Span of likely ranges for the shot(s)?
- Maximum and minimum impact velocity?
Knowing the type of game and likely impact velocity allow both you and the representatives to check against recommended values when they are available.
For instance, the Nosler link at http://www.nosler.com/Product-Comparisons.aspx tells us that both the Partition and the Ballistic Tip Hunting have minimum recommended impact velocities of 1800 ft/sec. The BT has an upper limit of 3100 -- an unlikely velocity for the Grendel. The partition is listed as 'unlimited.' They may, however, have some caliber and weight-specific information that influences their recommendations. Try to get these details when you call again. The rest of us are interested in what you learn!
Originally posted by juanjo322 View PostI was told that they both strongly disagree with the use of the Hornady 123 Amax line for deer or hogs. They said that they don't recommend it at all for hunting.. that it was primarily designed for target.. However I see on Utube all the time their commercials where they are advertising them as good for target, hunting and varmints.. so what really is the ticket?
You would likely do Hornady marketing a favor by sending the UTube links to them with your comment above.
(BTW I personally put use of AMAX and Berger Hunting in the same category -- will work most of the time with well-placed hits, but will likely come apart too fast for those hits requiring deep penetration to be effective.)
I called Nosler and asked them about their 120NBT's and they too suggested against the use of this particular bullet for hunting.. they recommend the Partition for such game and animals..
Right now I am loading the 120NBT's with 31.4gr BL-(c)2 , Haven't shot hogs or anything yet with this combo.. I'll report back as soon as I get to go out and play..
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Just had a range day. 15-25kt xwind 83deg, not great for accuracy but the chrony worked fine. I was testing Leverevolution loads with 125g NP and 130g Sciroccos, AA16"bbl.
NP/LVR- 2.235 COAL (average vel/5rds)
29.8g - 2368fps
30.2g - 2394fps
30.5g - 2420fps
30.8g - 2456fps
31.0g - 2460fps
Scirocco/LVR 2.260 COAL (avr vel/5rnds)
29.4g - 2310fps
29.6g - 2301fps
29.8g - 2302fps
30.0g - 2309fps
The NP performed very well, but I dont understand the Sciroccos lack of velocity increase as the load increased. Anyway the velocities aren't too bad for the bullet size. I would like to work up loads using the 8208 for both, it seems cleaner than the LVR.
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Originally posted by steel89 View Post...I dont understand the Sciroccos lack of velocity increase as the load increased. Anyway the velocities aren't too bad for the bullet size...
The apparent flat velocity vs charge weight curve might be more reflective of the underlying data scatter than a velocity plateau. Won't know until the data scatter is looked at.
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Smitty,
Had a chrony problem on the 29.4 load (Op error). The others should be good. Thanks for the interest.
Scirocco/LVR 2.260 COAL (avr vel/5rnds)
29.4g - 2310fps Deviation - 4.24, Spread - 12.8
29.6g - 2301fps Deviation - 14.56, Spread - 38.6
29.8g - 2302fps Deviation - 9.16, Spread - 21.51
30.1g** - 2309fps Deviation -7.87, Spread - 17.19
**Correction from original post
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