Barnaul Ammo is out in the wild

[hill37]

I was just saying it was out there.

[SDW]

Damn.I can't buy their ammo. Wish I could. but I live in CA and, well, this is one more thing that's not right about this state. Anyway, I guess that city, Bernaul, had been huge in the ammunition mfg business for a long time. My girlfriend used to live there in the 1990s she was telling me. She said in those days "cartridges were traded for all kinds of goods." They were a commodity, just like the tires that were also made in huge quantities there. LOL Just a little trivia.

But I wish I could buy some, just to show her a box of it. She would find it amusing.

[Redomen]

Link is blank page on my device.

[jaybee1669]

Yeah, weird. I was seeing yesterday @ 9am. But gone now.

Guns Midwest has it for $124.22, but i don't know what shipping it like:

https://www.gunsmidwest.com/barnaul-65grndlfmj100-6-5-grendel-100-fmj-500rd.html

$126 here

https://guns2ammo.com/product/barnaul-65grndlfmj100-6.5-grendel-100-fmj-500rd

[OpFor1]

How undersized were the Wolf and what impact does it have on shootability or push/pull reloading?

I pulled some Wolf bullets and replaced them with hunting softpoints so I didn't have to worry about cases while hunting. I did not measure them for diameter but I did weigh them. Some varied by as much as 10 grains. I also glued them to a piece of 2x4 and used a mill to section them in half. There were large differences in the thickness of the jackets and large differences in the amount and position of the lead cores. One thing for certain though, those bullets were not coming out of the cases without a large amount of effort!

BTW.... my ammo that I pulled the bullets from was Wolf Military Classic 100 grain FMJ Lot number 49 rp05 2017-10

[towerofpower93]

How undersized were the Wolf and what impact does it have on shootability or push/pull reloading?

I've never purchased, handled/measured, or used any myself, but seeing threads about it here and elsewhere seems to indicate the Wolf bullets were in the .261" range vice our desired .264" diameter.

[jdelong]

I contacted Barnaul and they confirmed the projectile is the same. Thread in reverse order:

Yes it is.

Linda

On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 3:51 PM Jon wrote:
Thanks, will do!

Is this the same projectile as the Wolf 100gr?

Thanks again,

Jon

[Wanderson]

I’d read that at SHOT show Barnaul announced both a 100 and a 110 grain load.

No doubt the 100 gr. is regular Wolf but I’m curious what the 110 gr. is.

[A5BLASTER]

I’d read that at SHOT show Barnaul announced both a 100 and a 110 grain load.

No doubt the 100 gr. is regular Wolf but I’m curious what the 110 gr. is.

I would bet money it's a 110 grain .262 caliber bullet

[biodsl]

We'll have to wait and see but it's interesting that Prvi used to sell a 110 FMJ load.

https://www.targetsportsusa.com/prvi-partizan-6-5-grendel-ammo-110-gr-fmjbt-pp6-31-p-58683.aspx?

[ppro]

For the life of me I don't understand why they are selling ammunition with under size bullets...it must make sense to someone, but not to me....

[TomSawyerNW]

OpFor1, did you just pull the projectiles out, then insert the softpoints into the loaded casing, as if you were reloading ammo? Simply replaced the projectile with your press?

I pulled some Wolf bullets and replaced them with hunting softpoints so I didn't have to worry about cases while hunting. I did not measure them for diameter but I did weigh them. Some varied by as much as 10 grains. I also glued them to a piece of 2x4 and used a mill to section them in half. There were large differences in the thickness of the jackets and large differences in the amount and position of the lead cores. One thing for certain though, those bullets were not coming out of the cases without a large amount of effort!

BTW.... my ammo that I pulled the bullets from was Wolf Military Classic 100 grain FMJ Lot number 49 rp05 2017-10

[VASCAR2]

For the life of me I don't understand why they are selling ammunition with under size bullets...it must make sense to someone, but not to me....

I’ve noticed on the specification for 6.5x55 Swede and 6.5 Grendel the bullet diameter is listed as 6.71 mm which is .264”. The 6.5 mm diameter equates to .2559”. Hopefully this is not an issue with translation but it seems odd that Prvi Partizan 6.5 Grendel bullets reportedly are not .264”. Prvi Partizan guilding metal jacketed bullets with lead core are a little undersized but I’m not sure if it is because of manufacturing tolerances or a European standard.

I suspected the smaller diameter with bimetal steel jacketed bullets was to allow the bullet steel jacket to swage/engrave to the rifling. I suspected a larger .264 diameter bullet might be prone to strip and not get consistent engraving by the barrel lands. I’ve read the US used copper washed steel jackets in WW II period 30 06 ammunition. I was going to measure some of these 30 caliber bullets to see if they are undersized. I haven’t got any old steel jacketed 30 caliber bullets to measure and never have asked a friend to check his stockpile of old ammo.

You would think that Bill Alexander would’ve noticed the difference in the bimetal bullet diameter during his testing and consulting with Branaul.

This is all conjecture on my part but I’d sure like to hear why the Branual bullets measure ~.262”. I know with cast lead bullets using a .355” sizing die on 9 mm bullets causes key holes but using .356” or .357” die produces accurate ammunition. You wouldn’t think .001”-002” could make a difference but it sure can with cast bullets.

[hill37]

In the ppu usa catalog component section they list a 123gr soft point and a 110gr fmj bullet for the Grendel. Both listed as .264dia. I e-mailed them to ask about loaded Grendel ammo.