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Does anyone have any experience or chatter about this new chrono by Garmin?
Xero C1 Pro Chronograph
Klem
Does anyone have any experience or chatter about this new chrono by Garmin?
Xero C1 Pro Chronograph
Klem
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I saw a couple reviews and got an email on its arrival today (well, yesterday by now).
Looks pretty slick in its really small package. Uses a 24gHz doppler radar and says you only need to have it 5-15" away from the barrel. As long as other shooters are 5 ft away it's not supposed to pick them up.
Downloads all the data to an app on iphone/ipad or android. Claims it does away with the finicky-ness of the labradar (I don't have any experience in that, being a magneto-guy myself, but that's the claim)
List price $599, a few are showing up in online stores...
Battery life is said to be much improved from the labradar, 1 charge lasts up to 200 shots/several trips or something.
Comes with a shorty-style tripod, the whole thing is supposed to fit in your pocket.
Looks interesting, if I didn't already have my magnetospeed I would be tempted... but the $$ tag is still a bit rich for me as well. If some $$ deals show up for Christmas, that might be something to think about..."Down the floor, out the door, Go Brandon Go!!!!!" -
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So in none of the reviews have I seen anything about when the battery stops being rechargeable and goes dead.
Seems the option to run this on an external battery would have been an important option to design into it.Last edited by jasper2408; 10-20-2023, 09:04 PM.Comment
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The Garmin does seem like a decent improvement from a known manufacturer over the Labradar. Made in Taiwan with a one-year warranty. Labradar is also one-year.
The other one that has been around for a bit longer is the 'Bulletseeker Mach 4' from Sekr-tech. It has been re-named 'Speedtracker Mach 4'. Needs to be attached to the rifle - $850USD. Made in the Czech Republic by German engineers.
Labradar (Infinition) does not seem to have improved over the years, with an almost monopoly on the market. I don't use the phone app which doesn't add much and has frozen a few times. The other issue is its size relative to these newer smaller radars. I use a Pelican case for the Labradar, which is a separate piece of luggage when heading to the Range. The European Speedtracker radar is sold here but I don't know anyone who has it to comment. Everyone seems to use the Labradar, and one or two have Magnetospeeds. Speedtracker is also more costly than the Labradar, but looks to be about the same as the Garmin when it gets here.
The benefit of the Labradar is of course multiple velocities heading downrange, for working out the true BC of bullets. To be honest I don't use that feature often.
With the Garmin what's the story when the internal battery starts to degrade - can you pull it apart easily. I understand from the Beta videos that it's not supposed to be a user battery change. Also interested if structure downrange affects the Garmin like it does to the Labradar. How easy is it to transfer files and in what format?
It's compact size is a big plus. If I didn't already have the Labradar...Last edited by Klem; 10-21-2023, 12:10 AM.Comment
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Think I read that the transfer file is a csv, which would be a good, universal format if so...
The thing on battery life/need for changeout - I missed that one, good point there. Don't have the problem with my magneto, it's a single 9V battery (duracell, energizer, whatever), and lasts 1-2 months, I carry a spare in the magneto box."Down the floor, out the door, Go Brandon Go!!!!!"Comment
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That is from a man that shoots a lot with connections to play with new stuff. I trust his opinionComment
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Love it! It's about time someone came up with something to compete with LabRadar.4x P100Comment
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Holy crap. When I saw the title of this thread I thought, please Lord let it be some pocket sized version of a LabRadar....
Man... as soon as I see them go on sale somewhere, I'm there. That'll make my other chronos obsolete in an instant.Comment
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The portability is impressive. A shooter could actually chrono the weapon system at the time and in the environmentals in which it's going to be used.Originally posted by SDW View PostPaul Peloquin
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Before light optical chronographs, they had:
* Ballistic pendulum (1742). It measured movement of the pendulum to determine velocity.
* Wheel Chronometer (1765)
* Dual wheel Chronometer (1804)
* Bashforth screened chronograph with thread triggers and switches for artillery (1865).
* 1921 Aberdeen Loomis chronograph, using electromagnets and tape.
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Then came Optical, followed by Microwave Interferometry, Doppler, and 3-screen optical (Oehler).
* Optical Chronographs
* Aberdeen Ballistics Search Lab Microwave Interferometer (1953).Optical Chronograph, 1977.
* Magnetospeed, 2012.
* LabRadar 2015 using Doppler effect
* SpeedTracker Mach 4, 2023, weapon-mounted Doppler Radar with BlueTooth connectivity.
* Garmin Xero C1, 2023Last edited by LRRPF52; 10-21-2023, 08:14 PM.NRA Basic, Pistol, Rifle, Shotgun, RSO
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Yeah. Fits in a pocket. Doesn't need to attach to a barrel---which could disturb barrel harmonics, in case you're trying to measure groups as well as velocities for workups.
And it sends data via Bluetooth to a phone, which is awesome. I have a Caldwell chrono that does this, but it's much clunkier and in fact, not 100% reliable at measuring bullet velocities. And I have the more budget friendly version of the Magnetospeed, but its capabilities are pretty limited. Basically, if you don't write down the data you see on the minimal display after each group, you loose the data when starting the next group.
I like the fact that the Garmin has a built in USB-rechargeable battery. It's no problem to carry a power pack and cord (as I usually do) for multi-day usage. Or just recharge it from a car's or truck's electrical accessory outlet. Unfortunately, the internal battery is non-replaceable. It's a little scary when talking about a device that costs this much. One-year warranty. So for whoever gets one, in the future don't throw it a drawer and forget about it for a few years. Li-Ion batteries can deplete so much that it's difficult to get them to accept a charge again. That would be a shame with something like this.Last edited by SDW; 10-21-2023, 11:02 PM.Comment
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Here's the gadget for attaching it to a rail/forend via an Arca-Swiss plate. They don't mention it but there's gotta be a Picatinny clamp that'd work with this for those of us who don't have Arca mounts on our rifles.
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