6.5 Grendel Velocity..What is realistic?
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Welcome to the forum.
Several questions need to be answered first...
1. Are you working up loads over a chrony to find what works for your barrel? So these 2 loads, they are results you obtained from your chrony workup?
2. Are you using bullet mfr or powder's mfr or published data, and starting out low and working up? Keep in mind that the published data is also based upon that source's actual barrel length, so may differ from what you have. Many sources are 24" barrels.
3. Elevation above sea level (ASL), temperature and even humidity can affect MV.
MV is affected by barrel length too but you show that as a 20" howa barel. I have shot them and they can be good shooters.
Copper bullets (the lehigh) are harder to seat against the lands so takes relatively more energy to do that, plus it is 10 gr heavier, so a lower MV for the lehigh vs the nosler would not be unexpected.
2480 for a 28.0 gr for a 100 grain cup/core like the Nosler 100, is less than the book max I show for that bullet.
I forgot what I used to use for lehigh's, I haven't shot them for quite a while."Down the floor, out the door, Go Brandon Go!!!!!"
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Have had a keg of Lever laying around for a couple of years now and finally got around to trying some. Wow. Can’t believe the ES/SD numbers I’m seeing with it, especially being a spherical powder. Maybe Im late to the party and shouldn’t be surprised. Anyway........... Howa HB 20” Lever/Hornady Brass/ CCI 400 123 ELD-M 2.366
Some load data………. Leverevelution/ 2x fired Starline/205 AR-M 2.300” COL Autotrickler accurate to .02 of a grain LabRadar Low 90’s F/ @ Sea Level Grns/FPS/ES/SD 32.1/2665/35/19 23.4/2703/23/12.6 32.7/2731/27/14.5 33.0/2743/13//6.5 33.3/2758/52/26.5 Single shots looking for pressure 33.6/2811 33.9/2805 There were NO
Reran this test I did last week but I screwed the brass prep up being in big hurry. Cases were too big and really had to cam over the bolt to load them. Both sets of data are very similar, and apparently it had little effect but, i didn’t know that at the time. So…….. A2460/Hornady Brass/ 205 AR-M primers 90 TNT 2.200” COL
CZ 527 American 6.5 Grendel 23.5” barrel Benchmark/ Hodgdon Data Starline CCI #41 70f/@ sea level ChargeMaster Lite MagnetoSpeed 1 shot per charge Speer 90 TNT 2.225” COAL 29.0/2762 29.2/2742 29.4/2795 29.6/2809 29.8/2846 30.0/2828 30.2/2842 30.4/2879 30.5/Hodgdon Max/2.200 COAL 30.6/2896 30.8/2894
CZ 527 American 6.5 Grendel 24” Shooters World “Match Rifle”/ (SW data 25.0-32.2/ 120 Sierra 120 BTHP/ 2.260) Hornady Brass CCI #41 70f/sea level Chargemaster Lite Magnetospeed 1 Round per charge Speer 120 Gold Dot/ 2.260” COAL 29.2/ 2429 29.4/ 2483 29.6/ 2450 29.8/ 2474 30.0/ 2531 30.2/ 2544 30.4/ 2549 30.6/ 2553 30.8/Last edited by Harpoon1; 11-26-2023, 11:40 PM.
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Originally posted by KTP1 View PostWorking on loads for the bolt gun with the 100 Nosler and 110 Lehigh Controlled Choas. Both loads are 28 grains of IMR8208XBR with a loaded length of 2.28
Velocity with the Nosler is 2480 and with the Lehigh 2420. Seems slow but maybe not ?
Thanks
Will your bullet lengths allow you to seat closer to the lands? Try maxing out your seating length for more powder capacity. Dont jam the lands though...
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Originally posted by grayfox View PostWelcome to the forum.
Several questions need to be answered first...
1. Are you working up loads over a chrony to find what works for your barrel? So these 2 loads, they are results you obtained from your chrony workup?
2. Are you using bullet mfr or powder's mfr or published data, and starting out low and working up? Keep in mind that the published data is also based upon that source's actual barrel length, so may differ from what you have. Many sources are 24" barrels.
3. Elevation above sea level (ASL), temperature and even humidity can affect MV.
MV is affected by barrel length too but you show that as a 20" howa barel. I have shot them and they can be good shooters.
Copper bullets (the lehigh) are harder to seat against the lands so takes relatively more energy to do that, plus it is 10 gr heavier, so a lower MV for the lehigh vs the nosler would not be unexpected.
2480 for a 28.0 gr for a 100 grain cup/core like the Nosler 100, is less than the book max I show for that bullet.
I forgot what I used to use for lehigh's, I haven't shot them for quite a while.Last edited by KTP1; 11-27-2023, 12:17 AM.
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Originally posted by Harpoon1 View Posthttp://www.65grendel.com/forum/showt...Leverevolution
Some load data………. Leverevelution/ 2x fired Starline/205 AR-M 2.300” COL Autotrickler accurate to .02 of a grain LabRadar Low 90’s F/ @ Sea Level Grns/FPS/ES/SD 32.1/2665/35/19 23.4/2703/23/12.6 32.7/2731/27/14.5 33.0/2743/13//6.5 33.3/2758/52/26.5 Single shots looking for pressure 33.6/2811 33.9/2805 There were NO
Reran this test I did last week but I screwed the brass prep up being in big hurry. Cases were too big and really had to cam over the bolt to load them. Both sets of data are very similar, and apparently it had little effect but, i didn’t know that at the time. So…….. A2460/Hornady Brass/ 205 AR-M primers 90 TNT 2.200” COL
CZ 527 American 6.5 Grendel 23.5” barrel Benchmark/ Hodgdon Data Starline CCI #41 70f/@ sea level ChargeMaster Lite MagnetoSpeed 1 shot per charge Speer 90 TNT 2.225” COAL 29.0/2762 29.2/2742 29.4/2795 29.6/2809 29.8/2846 30.0/2828 30.2/2842 30.4/2879 30.5/Hodgdon Max/2.200 COAL 30.6/2896 30.8/2894
CZ 527 American 6.5 Grendel 24” Shooters World “Match Rifle”/ (SW data 25.0-32.2/ 120 Sierra 120 BTHP/ 2.260) Hornady Brass CCI #41 70f/sea level Chargemaster Lite Magnetospeed 1 Round per charge Speer 120 Gold Dot/ 2.260” COAL 29.2/ 2429 29.4/ 2483 29.6/ 2450 29.8/ 2474 30.0/ 2531 30.2/ 2544 30.4/ 2549 30.6/ 2553 30.8/
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I think for the 100 Nosler's, I topped out at around 29-29.8 gr. This charge may vary based on what brass you use, they all differ as to internal useable volume. 2650-2700 for a 20" barrel.
And when I was trying the 110 chaos, believe I was getting 2575 with XBR out of an 18" barrel, but that was a max speed as I recall, definitely a warm load. Which is why we always say to start out low and work up... A bolt action like howa might get to 2600 +/- but it will be close or over 52000 saami (primarily set for gas guns).
You're of course looking for a good node and consistent accuracy, not just the max speed."Down the floor, out the door, Go Brandon Go!!!!!"
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Originally posted by grayfox View PostI think for the 100 Nosler's, I topped out at around 29-29.8 gr. This charge may vary based on what brass you use, they all differ as to internal useable volume. 2650-2700 for a 20" barrel.
And when I was trying the 110 chaos, believe I was getting 2575 with XBR out of an 18" barrel, but that was a max speed as I recall, definitely a warm load. Which is why we always say to start out low and work up... A bolt action like howa might get to 2600 +/- but it will be close or over 52000 saami (primarily set for gas guns).
You're of course looking for a good node and consistent accuracy, not just the max speed.
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