SHOT Show 2019

[98Z]

I searched before posting, and I haven't seen anything here yet on SHOT, besides a question. Had I looked before I went, I would have looked for the Lagacy booth, and searched out the info. Here's what I found,for the Grendel - it's not going to be a bad year, I'll say that.

There's a ton of info about it, but this is the Grendel info I have off the top of my head right now:

Other developments, products, and announcements:

1. Primary Arms has a scope with a dedicated Grendel BDC reticle in it, and it is badass, with holds to 1k yards. Primary Arms has LOTS of developments, with new scopes in a Gold Line, Silver Line, etc. Even the mini red dots have new reticles, some having BDCs built in. I told them about the mini red dot I put on the 45-70 - in 2015. They liked that it was not dead yet, at 800+ rounds. They also have a 6.5 Creedmoor-specific reticle in a few scopes - and I'll be working those over on the .260 Rem. One of the 6.5C scopes is a REALLY NICE 3~18x scope.

2. Ballistic Advantage is making a Grendel 16" Mk12 profile barrel, 1:8" twist, midlength gas system. It's identical in profile to their current Mk12 barrels, will accept all Allen Engineering collars and brakes, and suppressors (OPS INC 12th, etc., legacy cans). Their Mk12 barrels are great in 5.56 and in Grendel. Ask me how I know about those two...

3. PRI has a carbon fiber rail out that's Octagon shaped, M-LOK compatible. They have a complete top rail for it. I feel a Mk12 Mod H coming my way, in Grendel, with that BA barrel listed above. This will become a reality sooner than I hope, I feel it already.

4. Alexander Arms has a 10.5" Grendel barrel. I will be testing this at distance, and I bet I can get MOA from it at 700 yards. I already made that bet with them. Right now, it's a complete upper, barrel not available separately yet. I will confirm this with them next week, for sure, on availability. I will try to see if the barrel can be purchased separately.

[98Z]

What I was there to do this year was help get the .338 Lapua Magnum AR (fully functioning piston AR gun) announced. The by-product from last year's Fall Shoot out here in the AZ desert was brainstorming a 45-70 AR,with a real, no joke 45-70 round, and that turned into a .510 round, subsonic, 911gr projectile. It went a little nuts. Here's what it turned into:

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2019/01/25/shot-2019-condition-reds-zero-dark-fifty-a-10lb-ar-firing-subsonic-50-bmg-bullets/

[OneHitWonder]

[tgad2]

Interesting on the PA Grendel BDC . Their Reticle in the fixed power AGOG-alikes are nice. I use a Nikon BDC 3x9 on my 5.56. On my Grendel I have a PA FFP 4-14. Seems like I would want the ranging ability of mil-dot to work at longer range. Does this reticle have the ranging graph on the side?


Light profile 12.5” or even better 14.5 with pinned muzzle device for suppression is what I’m looking for in a barrel to carry on hunts or patrol. Where are those? That is what I’m reading and hearing are in demand most.

TIA for being the Grendel eye spy at shot show.

Light profile 12.5" is available right now with the Lilja group buy. Looking at the barrel profile I'd expect it to be the lightest 12.5" currently being offered.

[grayfox]

I believe that Lilja group buy also has your 14.5.
Another option is the Monster 12", also a group buy.
update, oops, the 12" monster GB is closed.

[98Z]

Interesting on the PA Grendel BDC . Their Reticle in the fixed power AGOG-alikes are nice. I use a Nikon BDC 3x9 on my 5.56. On my Grendel I have a PA FFP 4-14. Seems like I would want the ranging ability of mil-dot to work at longer range. Does this reticle have the ranging graph on the side?


Light profile 12.5” or even better 14.5 with pinned muzzle device for suppression is what I’m looking for in a barrel to carry on hunts or patrol. Where are those? That is what I’m reading and hearing are in demand most.

TIA for being the Grendel eye spy at shot show.

Yes, it does, from 400 to 1000. It's the HUD DMR reticle, without the moving target holds, just calibrated for Hornady Black 123 ELD-M load.

Another COOL product, and I WISH I'd grabbed pics. Sprinco is making "buffer kits" now, in various sizes. You can disassemble the buffer body easily, and it comes with a variety of weights. Basically, everything you need to build your own custom buffer weight. There were 4 sizes there, 2.5" for DPMS-based .308AR carbine buffers, 3.250" carbine buffers, 4.000" for the VLTOR A5 buffer systems, and 5.900" for AR15 rifle buffers. I'm sure they'll do 5.200" for .308AR rifle buffers, I just didn't see them out with the others.

I'm a big fan of the A5 buffer system on Grendels. Love it. This was good news for me.

[murfvol]

Thanks 98z! Good stuff.

[BCHunter]

Someone had linked a video of ammend 10 round polymer 6.5 grendel mags at SHOT in that thread.

[rebby]

Interesting on the PA Grendel BDC . Their Reticle in the fixed power AGOG-alikes are nice. I use a Nikon BDC 3x9 on my 5.56. On my Grendel I have a PA FFP 4-14. Seems like I would want the ranging ability of mil-dot to work at longer range. Does this reticle have the ranging graph on the side?


Light profile 12.5” or even better 14.5 with pinned muzzle device for suppression is what I’m looking for in a barrel to carry on hunts or patrol. Where are those? That is what I’m reading and hearing are in demand most.

TIA for being the Grendel eye spy at shot show.

As greyfox mentioned, I have Lilja cutting some of these for me. Check the GB forum for details.

[LRRPF52]

I didn't get to make my rounds to all the existing Grendel manufacturers other than Precision Firearms, who I helped out with the booth in opening it in the mornings.

This was the first year I didn't make it by Alexander Arms booth.

I was focused on some specific things so this year went a lot differently for me than most previous years.

The main Grendel news I saw was the 3 new factory loads from Nosler.

Noveske and Wilson Combat have introduced factory Grendel rifles.

Howa has been at the front in introducing Grendel bolt guns, so I don't know where the negativity is coming from about Howa. There are at least 2 bottom metal manufacturers already in the US.

I meant to make it by Amend 2 for the mags, but was unable to unfortunately.

[Frontier Gear]

Howa has been at the front in introducing Grendel bolt guns, so I don't know where the negativity is coming from about Howa. There are at least 2 bottom metal manufacturers already in the US.

I'm not meaning to sound negative, just trying to be honest. I'm a big Howa fan and a big Ruger fan. We are grateful that they each have come out with Grendel bolt guns. However, each of them have some design flaws in their implementations of a Grendel bolt gun. Neither one shows signs of being resolved any time soon.

As you say there are at least two manufactures in the US that are making bottom metals for the Howa mini-action. So why would they tell someone to purchase one from Australia? It makes no sense. Why point to one that no one can find, when there are two great options right here in the US? Hence my "out of touch" statement in the other thread.

Again, I'm not trying to be disrespectful or negative. Just honest about when a company gets it right and when they get it wrong. My main goal is to help the guys out here on this forum. Let them know the good and the bad. If Howa was coming out with a new mag or bottom metal, I'd say "hold off and wait". As it is, my advise is to purchase it now, but be aware of what you may want to modify and what your options are.

[hill37]

If better Howa Products are available outside the U.S., it maybe a Legacy problem not Howa.