For the discriminating Bullpup'er: A 6.5mm Grendel-chambered Desert Tech MDR

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    Chieftain
    • Mar 2011
    • 2403

    #16
    Originally posted by LRRPF52 View Post
    I'm thinking about a Tavor conversion as well, since there are after market triggers being made that change the game bigtime for that rifle.
    Same here. The Tavor is definitely on my radar.
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    • SHORT-N-SASSY
      Warrior
      • Apr 2013
      • 629

      #17
      I sent the following E-mail Message to Desert Tech Marketing Director, Seth Ercanbrack, today:

      "Mr. Ercanbrack,

      There's no question that Desert Tech knows a thing or two about designing, building highly-accurate bolt-action Bullpups (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dL0MH32rB6o). And, re the upcoming Desert Tech autoloading MDR Bullpup, I'm encouraged to read, "The barrel assemblies are completely free-floated, too, for maximum accuracy . . ." (http://www.guns.com/2014/01/20/deser...breed-bullpup/).

      Today's typical autoloading Bullpup carbine, with non-free-floating barrel, chambered for the mid-20th Century "varmint" cartridge deemed ideal for "jungle warfare operations" during the Vietnam War, delivers "combat-rifle accuracy" (http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/201...iwi-tavor-sar/); (http://www.bullpupforum.com/index.php?topic=5394.0); (http://bullpupforum.com/index.php?to...49987#msg49987), which limits one's use to short-to-medium ranges.

      Enter: the 1/2 MOA 6.5mm Grendel (http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/125...ge=3#i30879121); (http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/125...ge=3#i30888773).

      The challenge: an autoloading Bullpup carbine, delivering consistent sub-MOA accuracy, for e-x-t-e-n-d-e-d range use, chambered for a popular all-purpose, multi-range 21st Century cartridge (http://www.65grendel.com/forum/showt...bility_Updates).

      I can envision a 2015 shooting magazine cover story, Escape from the 20th Century: The sub-MOA Desert Tech 6.5mm Grendel MDR, with inside heading, "'Cause today's state-of-the-art autoloading Bullpups aren't just for short-range use, anymore!"

      Sincerely,"

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      • SHORT-N-SASSY
        Warrior
        • Apr 2013
        • 629

        #18
        Originally posted by SHORT-N-SASSY View Post
        I sent the following E-mail Message to Desert Tech Marketing Director, Seth Ercanbrack, today:

        "Mr. Ercanbrack,

        There's no question that Desert Tech knows a thing or two about designing, building highly-accurate bolt-action Bullpups (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dL0MH32rB6o). And, re the upcoming Desert Tech autoloading MDR Bullpup, I'm encouraged to read, "The barrel assemblies are completely free-floated, too, for maximum accuracy . . ." (http://www.guns.com/2014/01/20/deser...breed-bullpup/).

        Today's typical autoloading Bullpup carbine, with non-free-floating barrel, chambered for the mid-20th Century "varmint" cartridge deemed ideal for "jungle warfare operations" during the Vietnam War, delivers "combat-rifle accuracy" (http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/201...iwi-tavor-sar/); (http://www.bullpupforum.com/index.php?topic=5394.0); (http://bullpupforum.com/index.php?to...49987#msg49987), which limits one's use to short-to-medium ranges.

        Enter: the 1/2 MOA 6.5mm Grendel (http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/125...ge=3#i30879121); (http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/125...ge=3#i30888773).

        The challenge: an autoloading Bullpup carbine, delivering consistent sub-MOA accuracy, for e-x-t-e-n-d-e-d range use, chambered for a popular all-purpose, multi-range 21st Century cartridge (http://www.65grendel.com/forum/showt...bility_Updates).

        I can envision a 2015 shooting magazine cover story, Escape from the 20th Century: The sub-MOA Desert Tech 6.5mm Grendel MDR, with inside heading, "'Cause today's state-of-the-art autoloading Bullpups aren't just for short-range use, anymore!"

        Sincerely,"

        ETA, for our 6.5 Grendel Forum Members & Guests:

        "AMERICA'S NATIONAL SECURITY strategy demands that our combat forces defeat enemy combatants across the full spectrum of battlefield environments, not just leafy jungles or the plains of Europe. Despite an increasing portfolio of enemies that are flexible, well armed, and robust, our Army, Marine Corps, and special operations forces have been stuck for decades hauling assault rifles firing NATO 5.56x45 millimeter (mm) (.223 caliber) varmint rounds over a half-century old. A decade into a new century, we need to adopt a more robust projectile and basic combat weapon (BCW) to meet current and emerging performance requirements. Despite incremental improvements, the M16 rifle and its 5.56 mm NATO round are unable to compete effectively in current and anticipated combat environments because of the physics of ballistic performance, combat terrain, and the nature and fighting characteristics of the enemy. . . . The physics of external ballistics and current and future combat environments appear to demand a new caliber of weapons --- whether or not based on the M16 chassis. Many firearm experts, combat users, and studies have recommended the heavier and modernized 123 gr., 6.5x39 mm Grendel Lapua Scenar cartridge as a replacement for the current 5.56 mm NATO and possibly the 7.62 mm NATO as well. With double the mass of the 5.56 mm NATO, the ballistics of the 6.5 mm 123 gr Lapua Scenar projectile far ourperforms the M16's 5.56 mm, the AK-47's 7.62x39 mm, the Barrett 6.8 mm SPC (110 - 115 gr.), and it flies faster, farther, and with significantly less recoil (9.23 lbs vs. 17.24 lbs) than the 7.62 mm NATO round. The superior ballistic performance (Ballistic Coefficient [BC] = 0.547), low recoil, higher accuracy, longer range, and superior reliability of a 6.5 mm basic combat weapon against the 5.56 mm M16 and AK-47's 7.62x39 mm should at least raise the possibility of replacing the 5.56 mm family of weapons with a new platform and cartridge. . . ." --- AN ARMY OUTGUNNED: Physics Demands A New Basic Combat Weapon, By Joseph P. Avery, Ph.D. (http://usacac.army.mil/CAC2/Military...831_art004.pdf).
        Last edited by SHORT-N-SASSY; 09-26-2014, 01:38 AM.

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