Winchester XPR - Wish it was a Grendel

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  • Frontier Gear
    Warrior
    • Nov 2017
    • 772

    Winchester XPR - Wish it was a Grendel

    I've had a couple of these through my doors recently and have been really impressed. I haven't shot one yet, but am anxious to do so. It pretty much spanks the Ruger American and it would give the Howa a run for it's money in 6.5 Grendel as a hunting option. CDNN was running a sale on these and Winchester had a rebate going that put the end cost below $300, so customers were ordering them in to my shop for me to do the transfers.

    Here is one in .308 with a 20" barrel as compared to my 20" Howa in a Boyd's At-One Stock. The XPR comes in at 6.65 pounds and the Howa at 6.81 pounds, but the Boyd's stock on the Howa is where much of that weight comes from.


    Action:
    It uses a 3 Lug "Fat Bolt" with a 60 degree throw. This is a cost savings way of mfg as compared to the Howa. It is smoother than the Ruger American, but not as buttery as the Howa. I do like the short 60 degree lift of the bolt. It leaves a ton of room for whatever scope that you want. The bolt looks monstrously huge as compared to the Howa mini-action bolt. The barrel is held on with a barrel nut which should make for easy barrel swaps. Too bad they don't offer a caliber with the same bolt face as the Grendel.


    Safety
    I much prefer the safety on the XPR over the Ruger's and it is better than the Howa's as well. It is a two position safety that locks the bolt. The safety lever is well shaped and easy to use in either direction. I tend to accidentally "skip over" the middle position on the Howa when I want to use it. It makes me be very purposeful when using the safety on the Howa (which is good), but it also allows for error (not good). That issue is eliminated with the Winchester. The safety is obviously either on or off. A nice button is located just ahead of the safety lever to release the bolt of you want to unload it with out taking the safety off. The bolt unlock is easy to use and probably a carry over from Browning (who made the XPR for Winchester). Speaking of that the XPR is basically a Browning A-Bolt III with a different mag, trigger and safety.



    Trigger
    The trigger is an adjustable single stage. It isn't quite as good as the Howa trigger. One sample was excellent. The other had just a slight amount of creep. The break is super clean and no over travel on either of them. If you prefer single stage triggers, you would probably like it over the Howa.

    Magazine
    The magazine holds three and is single stack, which would be good for the Grendel. It is almost flush fit. It sticks out about as much as the Howa mag does once you cut it down. The downside is that I don't think you could easily take the mag apart. In fact, the manual specifically tells you not to do it. The Howa mag is much more serviceable. The good thing with the Winchester mag is that it costs about half of what the Howa mags cost. The XPR mags put the Ruger American rotary mags to shame.


    Trigger Guard/Bottom Metal
    This is made from plastic, but it looks like a much nicer/stronger plastic than what LSI uses for the Howa mini-action. It is separate from the stock too, so it would be an easy swap if someone (like DIPinc) decided to make aluminum ones.

    Stock
    The plastic stock feels stiffer than the Howa plastic stock and is much better than the Ruger American. Boyd's does offer a bunch of different stock options for this as well.

    For now I can only dream of a Grendel XPR, but it may be worth getting one in 6.5CM and chopping the barrel down to 16" and putting it in a Boyd's AT-One stock.
    Engineer, FFL and Pastor
  • js8588
    Warrior
    • Jul 2017
    • 202

    #2
    I've been considering one of the wood-stocked models in 325 WSM just because I want to play around with the cartridge but not spend big $ on a rifle for it.

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    • Sticks
      Chieftain
      • Dec 2016
      • 1922

      #3
      So get one in .224 valk and bore the bolt, then re-barrel it for Grendel - unless they sell one in 7.65x39 - then it's just a re-barrel.

      (roo roo) Becky born of MPA has that 3 lug, 60* bolt (Rem 700 type action). Smooth and yes, that 60* throw is awesome. She will be getting the above treatment this winter.
      Last edited by Sticks; 11-08-2018, 09:37 AM.
      Sticks

      Catchy sig line here.

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      • Frontier Gear
        Warrior
        • Nov 2017
        • 772

        #4
        They come in:
        • 243
        • 7mm-08
        • 308 Win
        • 270 WSM
        • 300 WSM
        • 325 WSM
        • 270 Win
        • 30-06
        • 7mm Rem Mag
        • 300 Win Mag
        • 338 Win Mag
        • 6.5CM


        I didn't see anything that was able to be converted to a Grendel.
        Engineer, FFL and Pastor

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        • A5BLASTER
          Chieftain
          • Mar 2015
          • 6192

          #5
          I have seen where people have posted that they had a Smith silver solder a bushing into the bolt face of a 308 bolt to beable too run smaller sized cases with the origami bolt.

          Not sure if that is a good idea but have seen it talked about before.

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          • FW Conch
            Warrior
            • Nov 2014
            • 289

            #6
            The problem with new stuff like this, it takes a long time for aftermarket support to catch up. I'm surprised that rifle is not offered in 223? Nice to have another option out there though.

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            • Sticks
              Chieftain
              • Dec 2016
              • 1922

              #7
              One would need to do their research. The .243 might work, depending on the case head size. Whatever you choose, you want the parent bolt to be smaller than the Grendel so it can be machined out - less than .441 IIRC. I just skimmed and the .243 will not work.

              Contact Winchester to see what it would take to get a blank bolt.

              ETA - Coffee first, then post.
              Last edited by Sticks; 11-10-2018, 10:20 AM.
              Sticks

              Catchy sig line here.

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              • FW Conch
                Warrior
                • Nov 2014
                • 289

                #8
                ^ Perhaps Winchester or Browning ;-)) ^

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                • Dinny
                  Warrior
                  • Jun 2016
                  • 607

                  #9
                  FG,
                  I came here today to express a similar interest in seeing Kimber make a Grendel. I have a Hunter model in 6.5 CM. I really like the scaled action and the flush mount magazines Kimber uses.

                  Now I'll have to take a closer look at the XPR.

                  Could a .473 bolt face be bushed for the Grendel's smaller case head??

                  Thanks, Dinny
                  Last edited by Dinny; 11-16-2018, 12:25 AM.

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                  • grayfox
                    Chieftain
                    • Jan 2017
                    • 4536

                    #10
                    You know, thinking about this... I would doubt that a .473 could be downsized..... however, maybe someone like PTG could actually make the bolt - the xpr uses a single-piece, fat bolt style, I'd guess like the ones ?ThompsonCenter? uses (I seem to remember another mfr using this fat bolt style). PTG makes bolt heads for savage bolt actions, maybe they would be interested in turning a fatbolt for the xpr in Grendel diameter.
                    "Down the floor, out the door, Go Brandon Go!!!!!"

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                    • hill37
                      Warrior
                      • Apr 2017
                      • 636

                      #11
                      I think I saw a video somewhere of a Barrett scaled Valkyrie. Google it and there are several links. The one I remember was shot in the Barrett factory. How hard would it be to open them up. It looked like beau coup of them on the line.

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                      • Dinny
                        Warrior
                        • Jun 2016
                        • 607

                        #12
                        Originally posted by grayfox View Post
                        You know, thinking about this... I would doubt that a .473 could be downsized..... however, maybe someone like PTG could actually make the bolt - the xpr uses a single-piece, fat bolt style, I'd guess like the ones ?ThompsonCenter? uses (I seem to remember another mfr using this fat bolt style). PTG makes bolt heads for savage bolt actions, maybe they would be interested in turning a fatbolt for the xpr in Grendel diameter.
                        We could ask, but we might get steered here: http://pacifictoolandgauge.com/actio...bolt-face.html

                        Maybe, just maybe, we could get a custom barrel maker to sell barrels and bolt faces for many different brands and action of rifles. A man can dream....

                        **I just read that GRE-TAN is real good at bushing bolt faces** https://www.gretanrifles.com/shop-services

                        I'll email them to see what they can do.

                        Thanks, Dinny
                        Last edited by Dinny; 11-16-2018, 03:15 AM.

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                        • Dinny
                          Warrior
                          • Jun 2016
                          • 607

                          #13
                          Spoke to Greg Tannel today. He can install a Sako extractor and bush just about any standard push feed bolt. Costs about $165 with return shipping. He prefers Rem Model 7 and 700 actions.

                          Thanks, Dinny

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                          • A5BLASTER
                            Chieftain
                            • Mar 2015
                            • 6192

                            #14
                            Originally posted by Dinny View Post
                            Spoke to Greg Tannel today. He can install a Sako extractor and bush just about any standard push feed bolt. Costs about $165 with return shipping. He prefers Rem Model 7 and 700 actions.

                            Thanks, Dinny
                            Really hmmmmmmmmmmm might have to rethink my grendel bolt action project yet again, since I happen too have a rem 700 243 sitting in a box under my bed never fired.

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                            • Kswhitetails
                              Chieftain
                              • Oct 2016
                              • 1914

                              #15
                              I’m not interested in a Grendel bolt for myself unless I can adapt a 700 action. Too much existing aftermarket support to go another route. I built my son a Howa, (well, built is a bit of a stretch- assembled- there) and it’s a great little fun. No complaints, except the lack of parts and options. The problem atm seems to be getting a reliable magazine R700 option. As soon as Mark lets me know he’s got that figured out, it’s game on.
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