Grendel for cow elk

[diddlyv]

Think 123 sst from the grendel is the hot tip for 300 yd shots on cow elk or should i bite the bullet and use 6.5 creedmore, .308 or the 30-06???

[A5BLASTER]

I think I would use the 129 grain sst or anouther 129-130 grain bullet known to work in the grendel and keep the shots say 200 or less and in the heart or high shoulder my personal thoughts it should work.

[grayfox]

I had some 129 Ablr's set up at 2450 f/s for my elk hunt last year, after a lot of discussion and seeking of advice from some of the more Western hunters... at 8500 elev, the round had 2135 ft/s and 1305 ft-lbs (300 yds) so I felt it was sufficient for a cow elk at that range.
Never got a chance to test it though b/c the elk chickened out!!! LOL!!!
But I was set up for 'em. It was my Howa 20" HB rifle.
The Ablr will open up at speeds down to 1300 ft/s so its terminal performance should have been fine -- not so sure of it for a bull but all I had was a cow elk tag so no problem.
Biggest variable for you will be your heart-lungs at that altitude, take care of yourself, train up and listen to your body.

[rabiddawg]

Google it. There are several elk kill videos with Grendel on you tube.

Mark Larue killed one at 400 yds with this 200 yd round

Here ya go. http://www.65grendel.com/forum/showt...your-Elk-setup

[Kswhitetails]

Hey hey HEY~! No one expects Grendel to perform, what heresy! And to include proof pictures, what you expect us to believe those aren't doctored and carrying spyware from the NSA? Ha, well we're on to you dawg. Carry on...

[Double Naught Spy]

Grendel can work for cow elk and has worked for cow elk. Heck, they have been success for bull elk as well. Nobody reports how many elk have been lost due to using Grendels, right? Just pick your shot very wisely and you should do fine.

[tracker12]

I have killed around a dozen bull and cow elk with a rifle. Four were killed with .264 Win mag and 140 grain Nosler Partitions. I never lost an elk I shot with that gun but several required more than one shot. I moved up to a 300 HH and will never shoot less. I have a Idaho friend whose wife shoots cows with a 243 with success but over the years a few have run off and were never recovered. I love my Grendel but would never use it to hunt elk. They are big animals and can soak up lead and run off with little blood trail to die.

[kmon]

Elk are tough but not bullet proof, that said make that first shot count (but it in the heart or double lung) and they will go down rather quickly. Put that shot in a less lethal area and get ready for a long tracking job, once the adrenaline gets going they can do amazing things.

There are some threads on this forum, look back through the hunting forum here and you can find several. A few link this video of a young hunter getting her Bull at almost 400 yards. She shot it a few times but that bull was dead from the first shot and just didn't know it. I have seen bulls act the same way to a 300 weatherby at 150 yards and a 350 Remington Magnum at 200 yards.

Bottom line put a bullet that will expand yet hold together and penetrate well through the lungs or heart and if they do not go down put more in those vitals (rather have a few pounds of bloodshot meat than not have any meat or trophy)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?reload=9&v=AO51KPbbmFk

[Texas]

There are a number of videos on YouTube of elk taken with the grendel.

[VASCAR2]

Another bullet to consider for Elk in 6.5 Grendel are the Barnes solid monolithic bullets. With longer barrels the 120 grain TSX has been used and in shorter barrels the 100 grain TTSX could be considered. The Nolser Partition 125 grain and 100 grain 264/6.5 bullets have also been used.

[montana]

I have killed around a dozen bull and cow elk with a rifle. Four were killed with .264 Win mag and 140 grain Nosler Partitions. I never lost an elk I shot with that gun but several required more than one shot. I moved up to a 300 HH and will never shoot less. I have a Idaho friend whose wife shoots cows with a 243 with success but over the years few have run off and never recovered. I love my Grendel but would never use it to hunt elk. They are big animals and can soak up lead and run off with little blood trail to die.

I tend to agree with you. I have shot more elk throughout my life, than I can remember" and have seen them soak up well placed shots that didn't drop them instantly. I use a 338 Win mag or my 300 Weatherby for any purpose elk hunt because of it. Back in the day, I saw more elk wounded with a 270 than any other caliber, "but with the better bullets they have today" this should not be the case. I still cringe at the sight of this caliber because of the many bad memories of wounded animals. The objective, "for any ethical hunter is to make a clean and quick kill" so use the best caliber you can handle. The Grendel is a fine hunting cartridge, "but be very careful with bullet selection and shot placement with bigger game animals. Hunters don't tend to post the videos of their lost, gut shot or never retrieved wounded animals. It happens more times than most hunters will care to admit.

[Frontier Gear]

Here is where I personally limit the Grendel to when it comes to elk.

12 inch barrel = 100 yards
16-18 inch barrel = 200 yards
24 inch barrel = 300 yards

Below you can see kind of how it compares to some other common rounds. Also you can read how I came up with those numbers here. http://www.65grendel.com/forum/showthread.php?15660 As you can see, the Grendel actually does better than the 30-30 and the .243, both of which have taken countless elk over the years. Just limit yourself to a reasonable range for your rife and skill.

300 Blackout.jpg

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[LRRPF52]

You are less likely to have good shot placement with the heavy-recoiling cartridges because you simply can't train with them like you can a lighter recoiling cartridge, and they are harder on optics. I see a lot of dudes buy a $1000 magnum, then mount Chinese bases, rings, and some bargain basement or Was-Mart special scope, go chase their pattern at the rifle range Day 1 of rifle season, get tired after a while, and call it good before heading up 4000-9000ft elevation higher than where they zeroed. Colder temps, no Loc-tite on bases or rings, cheap scope, heaviest load they could find, yeah. Even with perfect sight picture and fundamentals, that shot just might not find home, and you won't see where it went because your FOV lifted so far off target under recoil, it's only a guess unless you had a competent spotter/guide. But competent spotters/guides don't let you leave with that type of optic/mount set-up usually.

For cow elk, which aren't that much bigger than our mule deer, or are often the same in chest thickness, Grendel is plenty of killing power.

There are a lot of wounded elk with large calibers, because the shot didn't go where it should have.

.270 Winchester with 140gr cup/core is plenty as well, whereas 130gr cup/core going Mach 2.8 are going to explode.

My former neighbor shot a bull a few years ago with his .270 Win. Thought he was missing because it just kept chewing its cud. If he would have just waited, it would have gone to sleep. I think he put at least 4 rounds into it before doing a spine shot.

[montana]

Umm, I guess we will have to agree to disagree on just about everything you just stated, "the size of elk vs mule deer", training with heavy recoil cartridges, and the .270 cup and core. Yes, people wound animals with all calibers, I was talking about well placed shots that have failed. My best friend uses a .270, and we had disagreed, "friendly" about it for many years until it failed miserably for him, "in front of both of us" on a nice mule deer buck. Bullet selection is every bit as important as shot placement,"even with the larger calibers". Being recoil sensitive is an individual's opinion, not uncommon and should also be considered carefully when selecting a rifle caliber. Caliber pro and con debates are what make after hunt camp fire discussions lively. In the end, it is how full the freezer is that counts.

[CaptnC]

From what I could see in the video the bullet hit the spine at less than or at near 100yds. As much as I dislike the 5.56 I'm sure you could have hit that cow in the same spot at that same range and had the same results.

Once when at the deer lease a few years ago I took a co-worker who didn't hunt with me. I was letting him shoot at rabbits with his 22 rifle. At that point he was 0 for 5 or so rabbits. I was driving my dune buggie hunting rig. I happen to be planning to change the oil that weekend and had looped the oil filter wrench over the shifter. I spotted a rabbit about 5 yards away, but my friend didn't have his rifle. So I threw the oil filter wrench like a tomahawk at the rabbit. Killed him dead as a hammer! That was 20 years ago and he still get grief from other co-worker about it!

Does that mean oil filter wrenches are a prefered method of killing rabbits. Nope...it means it will work, but your better off getting the right tool for the job!